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this year's nobel peace prize winners
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 6:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
schwa wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:

Interested in what, getting shot in the face? No.

But if it happens I certainly don't expect to win the Nobel Prize for it.

She's a remarkable person in spite of that. What have you done to promote anything worthwhile outside your own comfortable self-interest?


A lot more than her, that's for sure. She's just some kid who got shot in the face.


This is why Korea (or Koreans such as your good self...) has been, and always will be in the dark ages - willful ignorance.
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 8:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
schwa wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:

Interested in what, getting shot in the face? No.

But if it happens I certainly don't expect to win the Nobel Prize for it.

She's a remarkable person in spite of that. What have you done to promote anything worthwhile outside your own comfortable self-interest?


A lot more than her, that's for sure. She's just some kid who got shot in the face.


This is why Korea (or Koreans such as your good self...) has been, and always will be in the dark ages - willful ignorance.


Epic fail. I'm not Korean.
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le-paul



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
le-paul wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
schwa wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:

Interested in what, getting shot in the face? No.

But if it happens I certainly don't expect to win the Nobel Prize for it.

She's a remarkable person in spite of that. What have you done to promote anything worthwhile outside your own comfortable self-interest?


A lot more than her, that's for sure. She's just some kid who got shot in the face.


This is why Korea (or Koreans such as your good self...) has been, and always will be in the dark ages - willful ignorance.


Epic fail. I'm not Korean.


Well, you certainly come across as one. Whether or not that was your intention is entirely something else.
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 12, 2014 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

le-paul wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
le-paul wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:
schwa wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:

Interested in what, getting shot in the face? No.

But if it happens I certainly don't expect to win the Nobel Prize for it.

She's a remarkable person in spite of that. What have you done to promote anything worthwhile outside your own comfortable self-interest?


A lot more than her, that's for sure. She's just some kid who got shot in the face.


This is why Korea (or Koreans such as your good self...) has been, and always will be in the dark ages - willful ignorance.


Epic fail. I'm not Korean.


Well, you certainly come across as one. Whether or not that was your intention is entirely something else.


That's about your preconceptions/prejudices/racism. Doesn't have anything to do with me.
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Mon Oct 13, 2014 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whether somebody else deserves it more, well that's open to question. However, even Malala has the condescending manner of speaking that is SO annoying about middle-eastern women. Not that middle-eastern men are any better. Laughing
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
schwa wrote:
KimchiNinja wrote:

Interested in what, getting shot in the face? No.

But if it happens I certainly don't expect to win the Nobel Prize for it.

She's a remarkable person in spite of that. What have you done to promote anything worthwhile outside your own comfortable self-interest?


A lot more than her, that's for sure. She's just some kid who got shot in the face.


Dude. DUUUDE.

I suspect you're just trolling right now, if so, please rise above it.
If you're not, and you genuinely hold that opinion, you cannot possibly be familiar with her life.

She was blogging for the BBC about the Taliban presence in the Swat Valley in Pakistan when she was 12 years old. She later openly and vocally decried the Taliban's practices, in particular their denial of education for women and bombing of schools, in a time when they were gruesomely murdering dissenters throughout the region. Desmond Tutu, as well as the Pakistani Prime Minister publicly lauded her efforts. Eventually the Taliban viewed her as a substantial enough thorn to threaten and then publicly call for the assassination of a 14/15 year old girl.
Then she was shot.
And then she just kept on fucking doing it.

Listen to her speak. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjGL6YY6oMs
Are you that eloquent now? Let alone at 16?
What were you doing at age 12?

andrewchon wrote:
However, even Malala has the condescending manner of speaking that is SO annoying about middle-eastern women. Not that middle-eastern men are any better. Laughing

What manner is that?
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guavashake



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Malala and Nabila: worlds apart
http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/11/malala-nabila-worlds-apart-201311193857549913.html

Unlike Malala Yousafzai, Nabila Rehman did not receive a welcoming greeting in Washington DC.

...This past week Nabila, her schoolteacher father, and her 12-year-old brother travelled to Washington DC to tell their story and to seek answers about the events of that day. However, despite overcoming incredible obstacles in order to travel from their remote village to the United States, Nabila and her family were roundly ignored. At the congressional hearing where they gave testimony, only five out of 430 representatives showed up. In the words of Nabila's father to those few who did attend: "My daughter does not have the face of a terrorist and neither did my mother. It just doesn't make sense to me, why this happened… as a teacher, I wanted to educate Americans and let them know my children have been injured."

The translator broke down in tears while recounting their story, but the government made it a point to snub this family and ignore the tragedy it had caused to them. Nabila, a slight girl of nine with striking hazel eyes, asked a simple question in her testimony: "What did my grandmother do wrong?" There was no one to answer this question, and few who cared to even listen. Symbolic of the utter contempt in which the government holds the people it claims to be liberating, while the Rehmans recounted their plight, Barack Obama was spending the same time meeting with the CEO of weapons manufacturer Lockheed Martin...

...It is useful to contrast the American response to Nabila Rehman with that of Malala Yousafzai, a young girl who was nearly assassinated by the Pakistani Taliban. While Malala was feted by Western media figures, politicians and civic leaders for her heroism, Nabila has become simply another one of the millions of nameless, faceless people who have had their lives destroyed over the past decade of American wars. The reason for this glaring discrepancy is obvious. Since Malala was a victim of the Taliban, she, despite her protestations, was seen as a potential tool of political propaganda to be utilised by war advocates. She could be used as the human face of their effort, a symbol of the purported decency of their cause, the type of little girl on behalf of whom the United States and its allies can say they have been unleashing such incredible bloodshed. Tellingly, many of those who took up her name and image as a symbol of the justness of American military action in the Muslim world did not even care enough to listen to her own words or feelings about the subject...

...But where does Nabila fit into this picture? If extrajudicial killings, drone strikes and torture are in fact all part of a just-cause associated with the liberation of the people of Pakistan, Afghanistan and elsewhere, where is the sympathy or even simple recognition for the devastation this war has caused to countless little girls such as her? The answer is clear: The only people to be recognized for their suffering in this conflict are those who fall victim to the enemy. Malala for her struggles was to be made the face of the American war effort - against her own will if necessary - while innumerable little girls such as Nabila will continue to be terrorized and murdered as part of this war without end. There will be no celebrity appearances or awards ceremonies for Nabila. At her testimony almost no one even bothered to attend.

But if they had attended, they would've heard a nine-year-old girl asking the questions which millions of other innocent people who have had their lives thrown into chaos over the past decade have been asking: "When I hear that they are going after people who have done wrong to America, then what have I done wrong to them? What did my grandmother do wrong to them? I didn't do anything wrong."
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanderkind wrote:
She was blogging for the BBC about the Taliban presence in the Swat Valley in Pakistan when she was 12 years old. She later openly and vocally decried the Taliban's practices, in particular their denial of education for women and bombing of schools, in a time when they were gruesomely murdering dissenters throughout the region. Desmond Tutu, as well as the Pakistani Prime Minister publicly lauded her efforts. Eventually the Taliban viewed her as a substantial enough thorn to threaten and then publicly call for the assassination of a 14/15 year old girl.

Then she was shot.

And then she just kept on fucking doing it.


Uhh, she blogged, and kept on blogging?

Peace Prize: Since 1901, it has been awarded annually to those who have "done the most or the best work for fraternity between nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".

You are right, I do not know her story. Which standing armies did she remove, or treaties did she get signed, or fraternity between nations did she improve?
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Cave Dweller



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2014 11:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought for sure that the Nobel Prize was going to go to Pope Francis.
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wanderkind



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

KimchiNinja wrote:
wanderkind wrote:
She was blogging for the BBC about the Taliban presence in the Swat Valley in Pakistan when she was 12 years old. She later openly and vocally decried the Taliban's practices, in particular their denial of education for women and bombing of schools, in a time when they were gruesomely murdering dissenters throughout the region. Desmond Tutu, as well as the Pakistani Prime Minister publicly lauded her efforts. Eventually the Taliban viewed her as a substantial enough thorn to threaten and then publicly call for the assassination of a 14/15 year old girl.
Then she was shot.
And then she just kept on fucking doing it.

Uhh, she blogged, and kept on blogging?
...
You are right, I do not know her story. Which standing armies did she remove, or treaties did she get signed, or fraternity between nations did she improve?

By all means, ignore the bulk of what I wrote so your quip makes sense.
Although I suppose I could have made it clearer by saying the public opposition to the Taliban and women's rights advocacy that followed the pseudonymous blogging was via radio, TV, public speaking and protests.

And I'm not arguing that she should have received the prize. I'm not on the panel, privy to their current selection criteria, nor even of the opinion she was the most deserving in the last year.
I'm taking issue with your claim that
KimchiNinja wrote:
She's just some kid who got shot in the face.
which was ignorant.
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KimchiNinja



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PostPosted: Thu Oct 16, 2014 4:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It seems like a "feel good" award. Hey public, look at this "inspiring story", now buy the book.
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andrewchon



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PostPosted: Fri Oct 17, 2014 2:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

wanderkind wrote:

What manner is that?


I just told you, condescending, of course. How do you like me pompously speaking down to you? Laughing
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 19, 2014 4:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

andrewchon wrote:
wanderkind wrote:

What manner is that?


I just told you, condescending, of course. How do you like me pompously speaking down to you? Laughing


lol, I don't like it! Twisted Evil
But I never found her to sound condescending, personally, or Middle Eastern women in general. What specific aspect of their mannerisms strikes you as condescending?
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