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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| le-paul wrote: |
| Yes, korea invented the printing press and yes the Mongols invade Europe. |
The Mongols did not invade Europe, and the Koreans (most emphatically) did not invent the printing press.
Double fail. |
Wrong...Korea has the earliest books printed by movable metal types that is known to exist. |
Really, is it so difficult to stay on topic? The point was that Korea did not invent the printing press. China did. Whether or not Korea has the oldest books made from metal type is neither here nor there. They did not invent the printing press. The Chinese did. And if the Chinese had not invented it, Koreans would have had nothing to add metal parts to. Now, would they? They'd have all these metal parts lying about the floor and one impatient chap would say: "I wish the Chinese would get off their arses and invent the printing press already. These metal thingies are going to start rusting. And I've got boxes of them. Is it too much to ask the Chinese to invent the printing press so we can add our little metal letters to it and call it Korean?" Yes, replies his friend. "The Chinese are very lazy. Not like the industrious Korean people." "Yes, my friend. Korean people are very diligent and genius. Did we not invent the printing press?"
Koreans simply did what they always do. Add to inventions made by non-Koreans. Saying the printing press is Korean is about as sound a historical statement as saying K-pop is a Korean dance form. 
Anything else you'd like us to consider? Or was that it? |
The reason moveable metal printing was revolutionary because it made printing available to the masses. It was like the invention of the personal computer, whereas before computers were mainframes that took up an entire building floor.
This is why it is considered the greatest invention of the second millenium. All brought to you by Hallyu Inuits. |
Huh? Ok, we get it by now that you want to show Asian influence on the world by linking a Korean achievement with the Mongol Invasions. But the main thing the Mongol Hordes spread was death.
Balance is good, but your constant spin/slant that the Mongols were these ultra tolerant, progressive people is odd considering how many people they routinely murdered.
Religious tolerance? Whatever. They didn't care who you were or what religion you were, as long as you submitted to them completely. If not, your whole clan/city/civilization was murdered to the last person. The Mongol Hordes were bad-asses, but don't try to spin it like they were somehow much better or more moral than other conquerors/colonialists in history. They did what many other civilizations tried to do at the time: conquer, steal, kill or be killed, rape and pillage. And they took it to the extreme. I'm not condemning them, but I'm not glorifying them either. They also did it before and better in many ways than the later European colonialists.
An interesting series of podcasts about the Mongols was done by Dan Carlin of Hardcore History. You also might like one he did about Magellan, where he asks the question: "Are white people special?" and looks at it in terms of "special" in both good ways and bad ways. |
Ill try to check it out, both of those. Thanks for the recommendations, i appreciate it. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Want to know what South Korea would look like without western involvement. Take a look up North above the 38th line. Want to know how Korea would have treated others if it had been the dominant power in the 15th, 16th, 17, 18th, 19th, 20th century. Take a look up North above the 38th line. |
In other words, what it was in history, a deranged hermit in its cabin on the mountain side. It may not contribute anything to the town, but then again, it doesn't decide to come down from the mountainside and start shooting everything up like Yosemite Sam.
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| As others said look North to see the most vicious long running modern dictatorship the world has seen - and only 27 years ago the South was a brutal right wing military dictatorship too. I dread to think what the Koreans would have been like as an expansionist colonialist force...but oh lets look at the one chance they did get involved in a war of aggression - The Vietnam War - the ROK forces were often singled out as the most sadistic brutal aggressors of the US allies... |
The point is that Korea, both long ago and in the case of the North today, has often favored an isolationist outlook. The question isn't whether they would have been bad as colonizers, but whether they had any inclination to be such a power.
In the end, we can't operate on hypotheticals, we have to work with what is there- Koreans have given the world little and taken little. Other nations have given much and taken much.
In the end, what is someone's ultimate goal out of this? Do they want Koreans to bow down and worship them for something their ancestors did? Funny how people who want some sort of shared glory for American contributions are the types who recoil at the thought of paying for reparations to slaves. Apparently they want all of the group credit but none of the group responsibility.
In the end, none of has given crap to the world or had anything to do with it and we all benefit. We're all the same. And in our lives, many of the tangible things we use are there thanks to Koreans in some way, shape, or form.
And J2B, those are some rather tenuous connections you are pushing. |
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Jongno2bucheon
Joined: 11 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Apr 03, 2014 3:09 am Post subject: |
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And J2B, those are some rather tenuous connections you are pushing. |
http://youtu.be/v81_hm8T92c
Professor Jack Weatherford backs me up. He is a world renowned expert on Mongolian history, and his books are best sellers.
I dont get paid for cognitive dissonance. Sadly |
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byrddogs
Joined: 19 Jun 2009
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 1:09 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| In the end, we can't operate on hypotheticals, we have to work with what is there |
For a moment there I thought you were suggesting that you were going to stop doing that. Is that what you were getting at? I'm not specifically talking about this thread, btw. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 10:24 pm Post subject: |
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The thing is, do Koreans even know what they are talking about when they blather on about the whole "five thousand years" thing? Humans have been kicking about for around 150,000 years or so. Are they talking about civilization? residency on the peminsula? What is it that they are trying to say? Do they even know?
Either way, it can be really tiring. This guy hits it on the nose. http://smudgem.blogspot.kr/2013/09/why-does-korea-make-us-so-angry.html |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 12:12 am Post subject: |
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Korean myth places Dangun on Baekdu Mountain at around 2333 BC. He lives in a cave and turned into a tiger. Uh huh, valid history, right?
Let's assume that's true for a second. Oops, I just spit coffee at my monitor. Okay, 2014 + 2333 = 4347 years. Not 5000. 4347. That Korean trait of always rounding things up. I guess after it is 5001 years, Koreans will tell everyone that they have 6000 years of history.
If you want to use bragging rights of residence, natives have lived in North America for around 8000 years. I guess we have a longer history. We weren't a country at the time, but neither was Korea. It was just land that
people lived on. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Korean myth places Dangun on Baekdu Mountain at around 2333 BC. He lives in a cave and turned into a tiger. Uh huh, valid history, right?
Let's assume that's true for a second. Oops, I just spit coffee at my monitor. Okay, 2014 + 2333 = 4347 years. Not 5000. 4347. That Korean trait of always rounding things up. I guess after it is 5001 years, Koreans will tell everyone that they have 6000 years of history.
If you want to use bragging rights of residence, natives have lived in North America for around 8000 years. I guess we have a longer history. We weren't a country at the time, but neither was Korea. It was just land that
people lived on. |
North American Natives didn't really have a kind of ruling government that ruled significant populations. Where as in Korea the first mention of some kind of government are in Chinese documents dating back to 700-ish BC. Which probably means there was a ruler, rulers, on the Korean peninsula for sometime before 700-ish BC, ruling a large amount of people. Exactly when, well according to Korean myth it was 2333 BC.
But back then it was a bunch of smaller nations/kingdoms fighting for supremacy, but under the watchful eyes of other kingdoms in the area now know as China. Although, Korea basically as one nation didn't happen until like 700 AD. But Koreans like to claim 2333. I think of it as Koreans claiming that their ancestors have lived on the peninsula since at least 2333 BC, under some kind of nation/government/kingdom (plural). But it wasn't until 700 BC that there was written proof of some kind of government. |
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candy bar
Joined: 03 Dec 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:45 am Post subject: |
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| Korea has 4 seasons. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:48 am Post subject: |
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Right. My question is, by what einstein's math does Korean history add up to 5000 years?
I'd think they'd want to downplay that number since in '5000' years they have accomplished jack shit.
| jvalmer wrote: |
| Cave Dweller wrote: |
Korean myth places Dangun on Baekdu Mountain at around 2333 BC. He lives in a cave and turned into a tiger. Uh huh, valid history, right?
Let's assume that's true for a second. Oops, I just spit coffee at my monitor. Okay, 2014 + 2333 = 4347 years. Not 5000. 4347. That Korean trait of always rounding things up. I guess after it is 5001 years, Koreans will tell everyone that they have 6000 years of history.
If you want to use bragging rights of residence, natives have lived in North America for around 8000 years. I guess we have a longer history. We weren't a country at the time, but neither was Korea. It was just land that
people lived on. |
North American Natives didn't really have a kind of ruling government that ruled significant populations. Where as in Korea the first mention of some kind of government are in Chinese documents dating back to 700-ish BC. Which probably means there was a ruler, rulers, on the Korean peninsula for sometime before 700-ish BC, ruling a large amount of people. Exactly when, well according to Korean myth it was 2333 BC.
But back then it was a bunch of smaller nations/kingdoms fighting for supremacy, but under the watchful eyes of other kingdoms in the area now know as China. Although, Korea basically as one nation didn't happen until like 700 AD. But Koreans like to claim 2333. I think of it as Koreans claiming that their ancestors have lived on the peninsula since at least 2333 BC, under some kind of nation/government/kingdom (plural). But it wasn't until 700 BC that there was written proof of some kind of government. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
Location: Testicles for Eyes
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:51 am Post subject: |
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| What was the point of resurrecting this thread? |
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FriendlyDaegu
Joined: 26 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 8:03 am Post subject: |
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| tiger fancini wrote: |
| What was the point of resurrecting this thread? |
To show how much 'this guy' (that guy) hit it on the nose, would be my guess. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 4:32 pm Post subject: |
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 Fun article. Guy marries a Korean then realizes he has committed to a lifetime of putting up with the stupidity of his father in law.
Yep. That combination of ignorance and arrogance in extreme quantities.. that is the essence of the Korean male. |
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edwardcatflap
Joined: 22 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2014 5:10 pm Post subject: |
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| Laughing Fun article. Guy marries a Korean then realizes he has committed to a lifetime of putting up with the stupidity of his father in law. |
He made the mistake of learning Korean so now he has to listen to him at family gatherings.
The 5,000 year thing is along very similar lines to the 4 seasons boast. Most countries can claim both but none of them except Korea seem to view them as anything to be particularly proud about. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
Fun article. Guy marries a Korean then realizes he has committed to a lifetime of putting up with the stupidity of his father in law.
Yep. That combination of ignorance and arrogance in extreme quantities.. that is the essence of the Korean male. |
As opposed to you, a bastion of academic enlightenment worthy of our finest centers of learning and humility that would put monks to shame?
Been my experience that those that accuse others of ignorance and arrogance so readily, tend to have a fair amount of those qualities themselves. |
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tiger fancini
Joined: 21 Mar 2006
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Yep. That combination of ignorance and arrogance in extreme quantities...
... it pis*es me off that I and others experience a wall of arrogant xenophobia from a people who logically should be more grateful and friendly to the outside world.
Kindness is viewed as weakness here, it will only get you stomped on.
Koreans don't recognize kindness, they've never seen it before.
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