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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Koreans don't want us to assimilate. They want to maintain a clear distinction between themselves and the rest of the world. Foreigners who struggle to use chopsticks and don't know more than five words of Korean help maintain that distinction. |
Heck, Koreans in Korea don't want actual Koreans who've spent "too much time" overseas or even have fled North Korea to assimilate. They don't even want to believe Koreans born in Korea to one Korean parent and one foreign parent are Korean. The law may say one thing, but the culture is abusively another. |
Foreigners themselves don't want to assimilate either. The moment I see foreigners lining up to be subject to mandatory military conscription, then I'll believe that they are truly interested in assimilating. I think that what Koreans and foreigners both want as their maximum compatibility line is "welcomed semi-permanent resident, somewhat out of the mainstream". |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Foreigners themselves don't want to assimilate either. |
Many of the foreigners here on Dave's have zero interest/ability in adapting to their surroundings. That is clear. These are the same knuckleheads that would complain about Chinatown not integrating back home.
Take the fool in this video, for example. How would she do integrating into Asian culture? She would be one of the complainers on Dave's "why do we have to do it their way, our way is better!". |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 4:21 pm Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| Foreigners themselves don't want to assimilate either. |
Many of the foreigners here on Dave's have zero interest/ability in adapting to their surroundings. That is clear. These are the same knuckleheads that would complain about Chinatown not integrating back home.
Take the fool in this video, for example. How would she do integrating into Asian culture? She would be one of the complainers on Dave's "why do we have to do it their way, our way is better!". |
Right, and while some fool is likely to chime in with something about there being no reason for him to learn Korean, it goes well beyond the language (though that helps). It's about understanding the Korean mindset, understanding where Koreans are coming from, and recognizing that there isn't something inherently wrong with all that simply because it's different from where you're from.
And when it comes to SF's Chinatown, San Francisco's Chinese have been there just as long as the white folks have, so I'm pretty sure it's "theirs" just as much as it's "ours". |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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What a winner.
It makes me want to help Chinese come to America. |
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JFP2020
Joined: 31 May 2010
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Assimilation goes both ways. It's true most foreigners probably don't want it -- and, frankly, why would they? Koreans are a largely over stressed and unhappy people. On the whole, in general, with exceptions, they probably have the most burdened, unsatisfying lives in the rich world.
But it would also be delusion to deny there is a very clear line between Koreans and foreigners in Korea that is maintained by the locals themselves. There is not even a pretense of colorblindness in Korea, while the vast majority of foreigners are expendable at their workplace with no chance for advancement or actual responsibility, further restrained by an immigration system that clearly isn't interested in encouraging long term residents. The literal meaning of 외국인 is outsider for a reason. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| JFP2020 wrote: |
| Assimilation goes both ways. It's true most foreigners probably don't want it -- and, frankly, why would they? Koreans are a largely over stressed and unhappy people. On the whole, in general, with exceptions, they probably have the most burdened, unsatisfying lives in the rich world. |
Rationalizing one's failures.
I've worked with many first generation Asians in the states, they are everywhere in my profession. Never once heard these excuses; they fit in, get results, and become successful. Many keep their own traditions in the home, but they aren't naive/stupid enough to think anyone in work/public cares about how people do things on the other side of the planet (even though their home societies are indeed superior in many ways). |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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Many keep their own traditions in the home, but they aren't naive/stupid enough to think anyone in work/public cares about how people do things on the other side of the planet (even though their home societies are indeed superior in many ways).
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But can they swim? |
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JFP2020
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:25 pm Post subject: |
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| No, bit more complicated than that. Asians don't come to Western countries to work entirely through Chinese, Korean etc. U.S. is an immigrant nation, Korea is not. Comparing apples and oranges. |
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JFP2020
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| Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 10:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Besides, define "failure"? I think a lot of Koreans would kill to have the time to have hobbies, go on vacation or see their families, and the freedom to marry someone they actually like, when they're ready and for the right reasons. Personal fulfillment is a pretty good barometer of success, and there is relatively little of it in Korea. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Korea is a tricky society to exist in. On one hand, the locals bemoan people who don't want to embrace the culture, yet all the while they make it clear you are just a temporary participant. Koreans are generally quite ethnocentric, which makes it all the more difficult. I've decided to go back to studying Korean now my masters is done. Not because I want to assimilate, but merely for practical everyday needs. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:47 am Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| Korea is a tricky society to exist in. On one hand, the locals bemoan people who don't want to embrace the culture, yet all the while they make it clear you are just a temporary participant. Koreans are generally quite ethnocentric, which makes it all the more difficult. I've decided to go back to studying Korean now my masters is done. Not because I want to assimilate, but merely for practical everyday needs. |
It's a small country. Opportunities are severely limited, networking is key to success. Ever know a Korean salary man to have less than 300 contacts in his phone? They have dozens of circles. They see an American in their country and probably wonder why the hell anyone would want to assimilate in Korea if they have so much land and opportunity in America. Maybe they can't fathom the idea, let alone accept non-homogeneous competition permanently?
As far as I'm concerned, any East Asian country pretty much comes in about a 1000 layers. If you want to understand Korea or China, you have to peel those layers back one at a time. |
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:08 am Post subject: |
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| KimchiNinja wrote: |
| JFP2020 wrote: |
| Assimilation goes both ways. It's true most foreigners probably don't want it -- and, frankly, why would they? Koreans are a largely over stressed and unhappy people. On the whole, in general, with exceptions, they probably have the most burdened, unsatisfying lives in the rich world. |
Rationalizing one's failures.
I've worked with many first generation Asians in the states, they are everywhere in my profession. Never once heard these excuses; they fit in, get results, and become successful. Many keep their own traditions in the home, but they aren't naive/stupid enough to think anyone in work/public cares about how people do things on the other side of the planet (even though their home societies are indeed superior in many ways). |
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EastisEast
Joined: 29 May 2014
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:51 am Post subject: |
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| I've worked with many first generation Asians in the states, they are everywhere in my profession. Never once heard these excuses; they fit in, get results, and become successful. Many keep their own traditions in the home, but they aren't naive/stupid enough to think anyone in work/public cares about how people do things on the other side of the planet (even though their home societies are indeed superior in many ways). |
This is such BS.
1st generation FOBS (Fresh Off the Boat) doing well? Ususally they rely on 2nd generations to even take the bus! Usually, they do not speak the language well and congregate amongst their own. Successful? Usually, its a sruggle just to be normal income and lifestyle with host country. It's usually a struggle, even if they were richer in their own country.
There are cases where its not like this, thats why i say usually, but in most cases its hard. Immigration isn't usually easy.
Superior culture?? Laugh. If you refer to Asian clultures, like Korea and China.....laugh! Why do they borrow so heavily from Western culture?
China spent decades destroying its culture (Cultural Revolution) only to create a hollow image of what it once was...under communism no less!
Japan has done much better re inventing itself, Korea? A little less so. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:51 am Post subject: |
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| Kepler wrote: |
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Foreigners in Korea. |
Koreans don't want us to assimilate. They want to maintain a clear distinction between themselves and the rest of the world. Foreigners who struggle to use chopsticks and don't know more than five words of Korean help maintain that distinction. |
Koreans do not want you to stay. They want you to come home when your contract is finished.
They don't want you here forever. |
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Shimokitazawa
Joined: 14 Dec 2007
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| I've worked with many first generation Asians in the states, they are everywhere in my profession. Never once heard these excuses; they fit in, get results, and become successful. |
This is such BS.
1st generation FOBS (Fresh Off the Boat) doing well? Ususally they rely on 2nd generations to even take the bus!
Usually, they do not speak the language well and congregate amongst their own. Successful?
Usually, its a sruggle just to be normal income and lifestyle with host country. It's usually a struggle, even if they were richer in their own country.
There are cases where its not like this, thats why i say usually, but in most cases its hard. Immigration isn't usually easy.
Superior culture?? Laugh. If you refer to Asian clultures, like Korea and China.....laugh! Why do they borrow so heavily from Western culture?
China spent decades destroying its culture (Cultural Revolution) only to create a hollow image of what it once was...under communism no less!
Japan has done much better re inventing itself, Korea? A little less so. |
100% agreed.
Mass immigration has destroyed the quality of life in large part of Canada.
The Chinese have driven out old Euro-Canadian families that have been there for generations who can no longer to afford to live there. Tens of thousands of Chinese billionaires and millionaires own large tracts of the Vancouver downtown and suburbs.
Toronto Police show up to calls and can't understand people because they don't speak English.
The "Wherever you're from, you belong here" approach has fucked up Canada beyond recognition. |
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