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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
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| All that said, I think there is real risk that the disease becomes endemic to West Africa, likely as an STD, even if the overall numbers drop significantly. |
It'll keep popping up so long as they keep eating bushmeat. |
I'm not talking about sporadic outbreaks, I'm talking about this particular outbreak continuing indefinitely. Per the WHO:
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| People remain infectious as long as their blood and body fluids, including semen and breast milk, contain the virus. Men who have recovered from the disease can still transmit the virus through their semen for up to 7 weeks after recovery from illness. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 2:19 am Post subject: |
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It'll keep popping up so long as they keep eating bushmeat. |
I'm not sure why, but there's something about that statement that sounds pervy. |
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GENO123
Joined: 28 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:12 am Post subject: |
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there are probably lots of other horrible diseases in nature that would be able to get to humans.
As long as people keep messing around and getting too close to nature they are going to get hit. Furthermore slaughterhouses are breeding grounds for antibiotic resistant bacteria. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:25 am Post subject: |
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| funny, my understanding is that a disease is successful if it can live off of its host for long enough that its host has lots of time to spread it far and wide, like the common cold. Diseases that kill you quick cannot do this. |
Not the case with diseases that have insect vectors like Malaria. Some types of Malaria can kill a person very quickly especially children. |
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KimchiNinja
Joined: 01 May 2012
Location: Gangnam
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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| I always wonder why stuff in general keeps evolving in Africa. What is it about Africa? I'd say it's an equator thing, but then South America has a similar sized chunk of land on the equator as well. |
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caniff
Joined: 03 Feb 2004
Location: All over the map
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| Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Eugenicists tinkering around until they're ready. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 5:01 am Post subject: |
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Team Racist/Alarmist wrong again:
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No shit. "Hey, it'll never get over here what with our wide open borders and all".
Sheer incompetence on this scale - and this latest episode is backed up by an endless string of WTF's - just doesn't seem plausible to me. This is by design, and it's treasonous not just to the US, but to humanity itself. |
Titus:
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Ebola is exposing a major weakness in contemporary mindless progressive regime ideology. The regime can not close borders to certain groups because targeting certain groups (even if they're vomiting ebola on airplanes) violates the progressive Prime Directive (thou shalt not discriminate) and if the Prime Directive needs to be violated just this one time it is no longer a universal truth, but something to consider among other considerations, and the progs will lose their shit at such a thought.
So we'll import vomiting Africans into the country and give them free medial care and take their layabout useless non-contributing families seriously when they cry racism because the Prime Directive demands it.
Eventually a Ceaser will set this boat straight, but until then it's polio infected Mexicans in the Mid West, ebola vomiting Africans in Texas and ebola infected white people returning home from trying to preserve the population of Africa against the wishes of mother nature. |
Titus again:
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Stopping flights to all of Africa just indicates racism and dumb-ness.
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The racists shall inherit the earth. |
Bigverne:
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| If the West were to impose flight bans, that would prevent doctors and ebola specialists from coming back and forth to treat the disease, the disease would spread further in Africa, and eventually it might make its way to other countries and from there back to the United States anyway. |
Why do seemingly intelligent people put forward such stupid positions? It is perfectly possible to have a ban on most flights coming from West Africa while allowing medical specialists to fly back and forth with proper screening and quarantine procedures, for example, by using military aircraft and specially designated airports. |
Team Egalitarian/Skeptical vindicated.
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/11/msnbcs-chris-hayes-shames-fox-and-cnns-ebola-panic-well-done-everyone/ |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 10:06 am Post subject: |
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There is nothing racist in demanding safety concerns be put ahead of inappropriate notions of fairness. Likewise, there's nothing skeptical about ignoring the very real dangers of infectious disease transmission. As soon as the first victim bypassed the superficial screening controls in place, travel restrictions and mandatory quarantines became the most sensible course of action. There are a host of diseases, ebola among them, that could be devastating if spread outside their endemic areas, and playing egalitarian roulette with them is nothing short of stupidly irresponsible.
A common theme in all my microbiology, virology, parasitology, health management, etc courses has been the tightrope we walk with infectious disease and free migration. One lecture from a Venezuelan professor about Chagas disease would likely be enough to change your mind. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 11:00 am Post subject: |
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| There is nothing racist in demanding safety concerns be put ahead of inappropriate notions of fairness. Likewise, there's nothing skeptical about ignoring the very real dangers of infectious disease transmission. |
Yeah, neither of these sentences describes what was being written. The racist/alarmist angle was, well:
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Sheer incompetence on this scale - and this latest episode is backed up by an endless string of WTF's - just doesn't seem plausible to me. This is by design, and it's treasonous not just to the US, but to humanity itself.
Ebola is exposing a major weakness in contemporary mindless progressive regime ideology.
So we'll import vomiting Africans into the country and give them free medial care and take their layabout useless non-contributing families seriously when they cry racism because the Prime Directive demands it. |
In other words, a bunch of political point-scoring.
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There are a host of diseases, ebola among them, that could be devastating if spread outside their endemic areas, and playing egalitarian roulette with them is nothing short of stupidly irresponsible.
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And there it is again. |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 6:12 am Post subject: |
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| There is nothing racist in demanding safety concerns be put ahead of inappropriate notions of fairness. Likewise, there's nothing skeptical about ignoring the very real dangers of infectious disease transmission. |
Yeah, neither of these sentences describes what was being written. The racist/alarmist angle was, well: |
So you accidentally quoted caniff and Bigverne? If you just wanted to discuss Titus' comments, fine; he clearly goes well beyond concerns of disease transmission.
I still don't see how Mrs. Hayes' obnoxious performance addresses any claim made in this thread, even Titus'. It's little more than an expression of how lucky we've been. Certainly, we should all be happy that there has been no outbreak, but we should all also be upset that political games have been placed above the very real safety concerns of the public. I get how your news sources combined with a shallow understanding of epidemiology would lead you to disagree, but you're wrong.
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There are a host of diseases, ebola among them, that could be devastating if spread outside their endemic areas, and playing egalitarian roulette with them is nothing short of stupidly irresponsible.
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And there it is again. |
Explain what you take issue with. "Egalitarian roulette"? That's your language: "Team Egalitarian/Skeptical vindicated." |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:35 am Post subject: |
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There are a host of diseases, ebola among them, that could be devastating if spread outside their endemic areas, and playing egalitarian roulette with them is nothing short of stupidly irresponsible.
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And there it is again. |
Explain what you take issue with. "Egalitarian roulette"? That's your language: "Team Egalitarian/Skeptical vindicated." |
You're fine. Your fear of an outbreak specifically seems genuine enough, unlike the others mentioned. |
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