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basic69isokay
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 Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 5:41 am Post subject: shady recruiters butting in on job postings |
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| This is a new tactic. Be aware if you post on line for your boss or replacement. The recruiters will act like a normal candidate, swoop in and get the commission. Especially a guy whose name ryhmes with So-Will. |
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nicwr2002
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 7:50 am Post subject: |
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| I have noticed this on Facebook job search groups. Someone will post a job and the same person will always say "I'm interested." or "PM sent." So I'm thinking, how has this person not found a job yet? Now I know this could be the reason why. |
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Troglodyte
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| If you advertise that you're hiring directly (not via a recruiter) then you'll tend to get more experienced teachers. Most teachers who have been around for even a few years know that it's a lot better to deal directly with schools. As long as you can convince your boss that it's better to hire directly (and avoid the commission and possible dishonesty of a recruiter) then there's not much for the recruiters to do. |
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basic69isokay
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| Posted: Fri Nov 07, 2014 3:20 am Post subject: |
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Yep.
And they know that. So, I've seen them butting in to the word of mouth attempts and saying "can I give you some resumes?" Etc...slimy d bags.
Yes, direct local hires get the most experienced, capable teachers. Recruiters get the best looking, youngest, most gullible teachers. |
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Troglodyte
Joined: 06 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 5:39 am Post subject: |
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| basic69isokay wrote: |
Yep.
And they know that. So, I've seen them butting in to the word of mouth attempts and saying "can I give you some resumes?" Etc...slimy d bags.
Yes, direct local hires get the most experienced, capable teachers. Recruiters get the best looking, youngest, most gullible teachers. |
So what if they send you some resumes? If you don't sign a contract with them then you're free to contact those candidates or whoever else contacts you. Honestly though, if you put out an ad saying that you're hiring directly then you'll get plenty of good candidates to choose from. |
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:30 am Post subject: |
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| Tangentially related: but why do decent schools with teachers who have been around awhile use recruiters at all? If you have a foreign teacher who has been at the school for a couple years and who you trust, isn't that a better person to find a teacher for you? Can't you assume that he'll avoid hiring an asshole simply because he'll have to work with the guy? |
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basic69isokay
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:13 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| Tangentially related: but why do decent schools with teachers who have been around awhile use recruiters at all? If you have a foreign teacher who has been at the school for a couple years and who you trust, isn't that a better person to find a teacher for you? Can't you assume that he'll avoid hiring an asshole simply because he'll have to work with the guy? |
See, that's the issue.
You might say, so what if a recruiter butts it?
But it's more complicated than that. First of all, the school pays an unnecessary 1,000,000 for something that anyone could do (posting an ad on craigslist or FB or whatever). Secondly, recruiters often make the hours longer and the pay less than it would be if you apply directly. Third, recruiters are more racist, ageist, sexist than a current teacher at the school would be.
In short, we should all be trying to cut out the middleman.
Recruiters are killing the ESL industry. |
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jleblanc
Joined: 23 Aug 2012
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 7:47 pm Post subject: |
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| basic69isokay wrote: |
See, that's the issue.
You might say, so what if a recruiter butts it?
But it's more complicated than that. First of all, the school pays an unnecessary 1,000,000 for something that anyone could do (posting an ad on craigslist or FB or whatever). Secondly, recruiters often make the hours longer and the pay less than it would be if you apply directly. Third, recruiters are more racist, ageist, sexist than a current teacher at the school would be.
In short, we should all be trying to cut out the middleman.
Recruiters are killing the ESL industry. |
How open are schools to people just walking in to inquire about positions and/or to drop off their resume? Has anyone had good success doing this or is it still better to try to apply to school job postings? |
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basic69isokay
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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| jleblanc wrote: |
| basic69isokay wrote: |
See, that's the issue.
You might say, so what if a recruiter butts it?
But it's more complicated than that. First of all, the school pays an unnecessary 1,000,000 for something that anyone could do (posting an ad on craigslist or FB or whatever). Secondly, recruiters often make the hours longer and the pay less than it would be if you apply directly. Third, recruiters are more racist, ageist, sexist than a current teacher at the school would be.
In short, we should all be trying to cut out the middleman.
Recruiters are killing the ESL industry. |
How open are schools to people just walking in to inquire about positions and/or to drop off their resume? Has anyone had good success doing this or is it still better to try to apply to school job postings? |
Most are quite open to it!! They just don't know how to find the foreign teachers. If you apply directly with the school, you'll often get higher pay and shorter hours. Better treatment in general. I have two side jobs now that I got by applying directly to the director's posting. If you see "direct hire" or "apply directly" or "Our school needs" then it's not a recruiter, it's the actual place. Jump on those. No middleman BS |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:06 pm Post subject: |
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| basic69isokay wrote: |
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| basic69isokay wrote: |
See, that's the issue.
You might say, so what if a recruiter butts it?
But it's more complicated than that. First of all, the school pays an unnecessary 1,000,000 for something that anyone could do (posting an ad on craigslist or FB or whatever). Secondly, recruiters often make the hours longer and the pay less than it would be if you apply directly. Third, recruiters are more racist, ageist, sexist than a current teacher at the school would be.
In short, we should all be trying to cut out the middleman.
Recruiters are killing the ESL industry. |
How open are schools to people just walking in to inquire about positions and/or to drop off their resume? Has anyone had good success doing this or is it still better to try to apply to school job postings? |
Most are quite open to it!! They just don't know how to find the foreign teachers. If you apply directly with the school, you'll often get higher pay and shorter hours. Better treatment in general. I have two side jobs now that I got by applying directly to the director's posting. If you see "direct hire" or "apply directly" or "Our school needs" then it's not a recruiter, it's the actual place. Jump on those. No middleman BS |
Even those with English speaking ability seem like they don't know how to find teachers. Also, most schools will give a current foreign teacher a bonus for finding a new teacher. It won't be the million won that a recruiter would get, but honestly, it really shouldn't be. My school gave me 300,000 for hiring a friend of a friend and I was really happy with the situation. |
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jleblanc
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| Posted: Sat Nov 08, 2014 9:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Cool. That's good to hear. Since I'm not the "ideal" candidate, it seems like I'd be wasting my time using a recruiter (they'll just be a roadblock for me, I think). I feel like I'd do better face to face. |
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