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catman
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 Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:09 pm Post subject: Is it too expensive to have kids? |
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I was reading an article about adults working for minimum wage. One was of a 37 year old single woman.
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| People ask me if I want to have kids, but on these wages, how could I? I thought I’d be married by now, with a family and a normal life: taking vacations, fighting about who’s going to do the dishes. Instead, I’m tired all the time and getting treated like a second-class citizen by customers. |
So while social conservatives decry the changing culture (which they blame on liberalism of course) as to why we are having less children they tend to ignore any economic factors. |
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Hokie21
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:24 pm Post subject: |
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How about kid cafe's?
We already have cat and dog cafe's, the next logical step is a kid cafe. Working a crappy job? Love kids but can't afford one? Well for 20,000 won for 1 hour and coffee you can rent your very own kid. |
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edwardcatflap
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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they tend to ignore any economic factors. |
It's usually the lower classes that tend to ignore any economic factors and churn out kids without thinking about who's going to support them. Childless working class women of 37 are pretty rare compared to their middle class counterparts. Also what's a single childless woman doing still working for the minimum wage at 37? Without marriage or kids to bother about she should have got a bit further by that age surely.
From what I've read, the US is doing all right in terms of re-producing, it's Japan, Italy, Spain, South Korea who have to worry, with percentages nearing the 1 kid per woman mark. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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How about kid cafe's?
We already have cat and dog cafe's, the next logical step is a kid cafe. Working a crappy job? Love kids but can't afford one? Well for 20,000 won for 1 hour and coffee you can rent your very own kid. |
This sounds kind of like teaching at a hagwon. |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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How about kid cafe's?
We already have cat and dog cafe's, the next logical step is a kid cafe. Working a crappy job? Love kids but can't afford one? Well for 20,000 won for 1 hour and coffee you can rent your very own kid. |
This sounds kind of like teaching at a hagwon. |
LOL |
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Fox
Joined: 04 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 7:55 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
I was reading an article about adults working for minimum wage. One was of a 37 year old single woman.
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| People ask me if I want to have kids, but on these wages, how could I? I thought I’d be married by now, with a family and a normal life: taking vacations, fighting about who’s going to do the dishes. Instead, I’m tired all the time and getting treated like a second-class citizen by customers. |
So while social conservatives decry the changing culture (which they blame on liberalism of course) as to why we are having less children they tend to ignore any economic factors. |
I'd say you're generally correct that economic factors play a role in reproduction and the stability of family life, and that there's a certain contradiction in claiming to support family-centered society while simultaneously supporting policies which economically undermine the formation of families. But let's not pretend cultural factors don't play a role as well. In this particular woman's case, for example, I imagine her not yet having children has more to do with her not yet being married than her finances, and a woman's financial situation is less of an impediment towards finding a mate than is a man's. |
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Lucas
Joined: 11 Sep 2012
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| Posted: Mon Nov 10, 2014 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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How about kid cafe's?
We already have cat and dog cafe's, the next logical step is a kid cafe. Working a crappy job? Love kids but can't afford one? Well for 20,000 won for 1 hour and coffee you can rent your very own kid. |
I think w40,000 for pure blood one's w20,000 for half blood and w10,000 for 'imports' |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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Is there a surcharge to get poked in the ass?
Can I write that off on my taxes? Afterall, it is a shit 'acupuncture'.
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How about kid cafe's?
We already have cat and dog cafe's, the next logical step is a kid cafe. Working a crappy job? Love kids but can't afford one? Well for 20,000 won for 1 hour and coffee you can rent your very own kid. |
I think w40,000 for pure blood one's w20,000 for half blood and w10,000 for 'imports' |
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Old Painless
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| There was a time in the distant past, when love and generosity were the only two things that one needed to raise a child. |
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Stain
Joined: 08 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| If you consider your life expensive, then, yeah, it's pretty damned expensive. |
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basic69isokay
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea
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Basically this generation is just f*cked.
It's always been expensive, but now 30s came up through the global recession haven't really stood a chance. There's two options: dont have kids or go into debt. |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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The general theme of today's society is, Do you want a) kids or b) big screen TVs, nice cars, and vacations?
So many people have chosen b. |
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wooden nickels
Joined: 23 May 2010
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 1:58 am Post subject: |
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The general theme of today's society is, Do you want a) kids or b) big screen TVs, nice cars, and vacations?
So many people have chosen b. |
Someone should make a poll on this topic.
I'm happy to not have a den of the little boogers to support. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2014 4:15 am Post subject: |
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Basically this generation is just f*cked.
It's always been expensive, but now 30s came up through the global recession haven't really stood a chance. There's two options: dont have kids or go into debt. |
Think further down the road, 3-4 generations from this one. Shit's gonna get real. Soylent Green baby. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Cave Dweller wrote: |
The general theme of today's society is, Do you want a) kids or b) big screen TVs, nice cars, and vacations?
So many people have chosen b. |
-and rightfully so.
We are able to live more rewarding lives than any generation before us ....and the last thing our suffering planet needs is more humans.
People who don't have kids have generally more developed personalities, more interesting. |
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