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FriendlyDaegu
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Could it be that the rise of 'all the bad things that the Bible says' could be due to Americans (and the West) not following and using the Bible and Christianity as a cornerstone as it did since its inception a few hundred years ago?
Just wondering? |
No, of course not. And what’s up with the kids' funky use of question marks the past couple years? Bothers me to no end. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| EastisEast wrote: |
America used to swear up and down that it was Christian. Had the Bible and quoted it at every event. From Presidental Inaugs to Football.
Now, it would be seen as barbaric to do any of that. (I don't give a decade before the President stops swearing on the Bible..too offensive). To even follow the Bible, the cornerstone of America in the past.
Could it be that the rise of 'all the bad things that the Bible says' could be due to Americans (and the West) not following and using the Bible and Christianity as a cornerstone as it did since its inception a few hundred years ago?
Just wondering? |
Well we did abolish slavery which was condoned by the Bible. |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
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| Posted: Sun Nov 09, 2014 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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I read that as "simple".  |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:04 pm Post subject: |
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| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| I think in the past early twenty somethings married when they were poor, and had kids, and weren't bothered by it. |
That’s because in the past there was a prospect of a future. Now….not so much.
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| And some men and women expect themselves and their partner to be financially successful before they marry them. |
I agree with this, for the reason I gave above. But also, I’ve seen too many times women unhappy when the promising prospects of their young husband didn’t pan out. No thanks. I’d rather have things set up beforehand.
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| I guess I'm saying people are expecting too much of themselves and their partner before they marry and have kids. |
Well, loveable as they are, kids do cost money. There are logistics to figure in. |
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isitts
Joined: 25 Dec 2008
Location: Korea
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| As I see it, the prevailing circumstance are a decay of sound principles. Think about it metaphorically. |
Couldn’t we think about it realistically? Or what about allegorically?
...this guy goes to a psychiatrist and says, "Doc, uh, my brother's crazy; he thinks he's a chicken." And, uh, the doctor says, "Well, why don't you turn him in?" The guy says, "I would, but I need the eggs." (from Annie Hall)
I think the lofty philosophies that you and cosmic are going on about have nothing (or very little) to do with why people are married or not.
As for sound principals….principals are only for those who can afford to keep them. The rest do what they gotta do. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 11:24 pm Post subject: |
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| isitts wrote: |
I think the lofty philosophies that you and cosmic are going on about have nothing (or very little) to do with why people are married or not.
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Perhaps not consciously and from the first moment, but that does not prevent the matter from being evaluated in such terms. When a child goes to school and learns math, for example, the actual ends of mathematics aren't what drive him; he's far more concerned about factors like the attitudes of his parents and teacher than some day being able to understand the world better. Nonetheless, it's still the actual ends of mathematics which loom in the background of his education as the primary justifying factor. The same is true here: a love-struck young couple in a social environment might not neccesarily be consciously driven by deep principles, but those principles will (or at least should) still have some presence in their conduct, and the consequences of that conduct as well. And in both the case of the student and the love-struck young couple, as they grow as people, the principles should become more apparent to them. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2014 11:44 am Post subject: |
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| EastisEast wrote: |
America used to swear up and down that it was Christian. Had the Bible and quoted it at every event. From Presidental Inaugs to Football.
Now, it would be seen as barbaric to do any of that. (I don't give a decade before the President stops swearing on the Bible..too offensive). To even follow the Bible, the cornerstone of America in the past.
Could it be that the rise of 'all the bad things that the Bible says' could be due to Americans (and the West) not following and using the Bible and Christianity as a cornerstone as it did since its inception a few hundred years ago?
Just wondering? |
No. Because many are still living by the Bible, and organizing their lives around it. Nonetheless, they eschew explicit reliance on the Bible, at least in public or multi-denominational communal life. Just because people don't like to discuss (politics or) religion, doesn't mean they don't live by it.
I am admitting that some religious tradition is important to adherence to a moral code for many in society. But, its still there in the home, in the church, even in the marketplace. Its just fallen out of the civic religion aspect of it. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| isitts wrote: |
| Who's Your Daddy? wrote: |
| I think in the past early twenty somethings married when they were poor, and had kids, and weren't bothered by it. |
That’s because in the past there was a prospect of a future. Now….not so much. |
Correct. 70-50 years ago there were massive opportunities for an educated white westerner just about anywhere. It wasn't hard to get a nice house with a nice area of land, even serving staff- and be set up for life, pump out five kids and sit back.
Nowadays the game is up. Most people aren't even aware of how destroyed and denuded the planet has become. It will only get worse with climate change. The world population has jumped from 6 billion to 7 billion in a few short decades. Future? What future? |
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
Location: Don't hate me because I'm right
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
| EastisEast wrote: |
America used to swear up and down that it was Christian. Had the Bible and quoted it at every event. From Presidental Inaugs to Football.
Now, it would be seen as barbaric to do any of that. (I don't give a decade before the President stops swearing on the Bible..too offensive). To even follow the Bible, the cornerstone of America in the past.
Could it be that the rise of 'all the bad things that the Bible says' could be due to Americans (and the West) not following and using the Bible and Christianity as a cornerstone as it did since its inception a few hundred years ago?
Just wondering? |
No. Because many are still living by the Bible, and organizing their lives around it. Nonetheless, they eschew explicit reliance on the Bible, at least in public or multi-denominational communal life. Just because people don't like to discuss (politics or) religion, doesn't mean they don't live by it.
I am admitting that some religious tradition is important to adherence to a moral code for many in society. But, its still there in the home, in the church, even in the marketplace. Its just fallen out of the civic religion aspect of it. |
Religious people tend to have much higher rates of divorce specially Protestants. Blind faith is not needed in marriage. Money, stability, and love are.
I have seen far too many 19 and 20 year olds get married because they had faith in god and believed in marriage, really they wanted to have sex without feeling guilty. Then when the realities of marriage sank in (money, commitment) they got divorced just few years latter.
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No_hite_pls
Joined: 05 Mar 2007
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“Conservative Protestant community norms and the institutions they create seem to increase divorce risk,” researchers say in the study. For example, those who are struggling in their marriage may feel discouraged to find help in communities where marriage is idealized or marital failure is viewed as shameful, the researchers suggest.
“Generally, religion, religious belief and religious activities are thought to strengthen marriages,” said co-author Jennifer Glass, a sociology professor at the University of Texas at Austin. “It appears that the cessation of education, early marriage and early parenthood, you’re set up for relationship conflict, financial stress and dissolution.” |
http://www.religionnews.com/2014/01/21/study-conservative-protestants-divorce-rates-spread-red-state-neighbors/ |
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geldedgoat
Joined: 05 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| No_hite_pls wrote: |
| “Conservative Protestant community norms and the institutions they create seem to increase divorce risk,” researchers say in the study. For example, those who are struggling in their marriage may feel discouraged to find help in communities where marriage is idealized or marital failure is viewed as shameful, the researchers suggest. |
That's very strange. Every church I've ever encountered offered free marriage counseling and strongly encouraged struggling members to utilize it. |
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Lucas
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| Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2014 8:14 pm Post subject: |
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Religious people tend to have much higher rates of divorce specially Protestants. Blind faith is not needed in marriage. Money, stability, and love are.
I have seen far too many 19 and 20 year olds get married because they had faith in god and believed in marriage, really they wanted to have sex without feeling guilty. Then when the realities of marriage sank in (money, commitment) they got divorced just few years latter.
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