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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 5:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

basic69isokay wrote:
Over 40? Wow, um, you're going to be straight up ignored.


Ignore this. There are plenty of teachers here in their 40s here (and older). I'm no spring chicken and I get work. Just emphasize that you "miss Korea so much, blah blah blah" and be willing to accepot work outside major cities. I work in the countreyside. I love it, and the bus gets me to Seoul in an hour on Friday nights. Ignore the naysayers. You will be able to find work. Just be flexible about lkocation.
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Nov 16, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just posted 17 job ads with links on the 'University positions without Uni experience' thread. Yeah, I was bored. Some only require a BA so the OP might have a shot. Never know...
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expatacular



Joined: 08 Nov 2014

PostPosted: Tue Nov 18, 2014 12:54 pm    Post subject: age limits for getting hired and staying hired Reply with quote

Thank you to everyone that replied to my question - I appreciate that very much. I do have a B-Ed. - English major, a couple of years of domestic teaching experience w/ letter of ref., current public school license, and have, by way of vanity or sense of self preservation, managed to keep myself presentable. I will probably give Seoul another shot.
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Been There, Taught That



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.

PostPosted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

basic69isokay wrote:
None officially.
BUT, anyone over 30 is going to face some discrimination.
Over 40? Wow, um, you're going to be straight up ignored.About half the ads openly state female only. But if not, they want an under 30 male who will be easy to manipulate.

You could have a chance in the most rural of rural areas. But, even then maybe not. Just go to China!! Korea's economy is not great and the culture is just as appalling as ever.


Ummm. . .I won't mention the T word here, because I genuinely think you have either not had enough time in Korea, you are just an eager " take the money 'n' run" type or are somehow disgruntled. I'll just say it sounds that way.

Anyway, in my experience, these things could not be less true-to-life. I didn't even seek to get to Korea until I was 33 years old, didn't know anything about ESL until then. I will say that Korea has been the height of good experiences for me, and the people--including employers, etc--most equitable in their dealings with me. I've heard more than once that the longer one teaches in Korea as an native speaker, the more opportunity there is. Before I left Korea to get an MA, I was recruited right off the street--off the street, mind you--with just a bachelors by a university representative. And he didn't even know nor ask what my degree was in

Personally, I'm now 50 and have had some very encouraging conversations with and about employers (through recruiters), and I have no doubt that after my MA in Secondary Teaching is complete, I will be highly marketable coming back to Korea. I might be slightly less so without the degree, but certainly I would not call prospects hopeless by any means.

And the economy and culture are far from appalling. It's an adjustment, sure, and one that many realize too late they aren't willing to make, but it's based in large part on our own Western economy and a cultural history of the greatest respect toward elders, so at any age, with just a bachelors in anything, I think all you would have to do is play like you're able to be manipulated and the bottom-of-the-barrel employer will take a good gander at you. Play like you know what you are doing and you'll do much better.

So no, there is no hope lost at any age (up to about 70, I suppose) as a native speaker ESL seeker in Korea.
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Scorpion



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PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been There, Taught That wrote:
the greatest respect toward [Korean] elders,


LOL. Fixed that for you there bud. And even the respect for Korean elders is not what it's imagined. Rarely, if ever, do I see a young Korean offer their heat to an old woman or man on the bus. THey pretend to be asleep on glued to their screens. Motorists don't even stop for them even half way across a crosswalk.

And respect for older foreign teachers is just a joke. But you do paint a pretty picture.
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basic69isokay



Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scorpion wrote:
Been There, Taught That wrote:
the greatest respect toward [Korean] elders,


LOL. Fixed that for you there bud. And even the respect for Korean elders is not what it's imagined. Rarely, if ever, do I see a young Korean offer their heat to an old woman or man on the bus. THey pretend to be asleep on glued to their screens. Motorists don't even stop for them even half way across a crosswalk.

And respect for older foreign teachers is just a joke. But you do paint a pretty picture.

Yea he sure does.
He paints a pre 2009 picture.
Let me guess, you left Korea in 2007/8??
Yea, things have changed drastically since then.
Dont think any university is hiring off the street these days man.
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Been There, Taught That



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
Location: Mungyeong: not a village, not yet a metroplex.

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2011. Contract finished in October. I had my wife with me then, and she was pregnant and, let's just say, not as, um, svelte as a young Korean female. And not willing to consider a C-section. She couldn't come to the conclusion that a Korean doctor knew how to handle a pregnant woman with a little weight to her. She visited two 'women's clinics' in the Bundang area, and from the interactions, we decided it was best to have her under the care of a US hospital.

But for that, I might have taken that job in the Suwon area, which school name I forget now, except that it was a science-oriented university on a hill, and I didn't have all the key money the places around there were asking, because the university wasn't helping out with finding a place for NETs. Anyway, if it sounded like it, it wasn't like someone came up and said he was from a university and did I want a job. I met the guy and got into a pleasant conversation for a long time before I even knew he was from a university. So, not 'Hi, strange foreign-teacher-looking type. I want to steal you away from your typical-English-teaching hagwon job, like, tomorrow!' He gave me his card and I called him back later to arrange the interview. He simply offered it because he thought I would actually pass the interview. I was in a gang of 4 at the interview, and we all passed acceptably.

But I had to come back for our second daughter to be born. Doctor-wise, I think it was the right decision, but we want to go back after my MA, because I was comfortable in Korea, few bills, and, now, insurance woes aren't any worse nor more socialized than they are here in the US..

On a side note, one do-it-now offer that did appear out of the blue one evening as the sun was setting and we were strolling through the Mi-geum station area was a from a photography studio owner. My 3-year-old could have supported us all with a modeling job if we'd stayed. But, strangely, he never got back to us after I outlined our terms in a letter to him. Apparently, he wanted to wing it his own way.
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Been There, Taught That



Joined: 10 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 12:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

A couple of improvements I'd like to make to what I said:

1. It turns out I was 37 when I first set foot in Korea in 2001, my wife pointed out, not 33. I started out at Oe Dae in Guri City, got illegally farmed out to another one in Ilsan before I knew anything about visa transfer laws, which were not followed, and ended up in Daejeon at BRYS institute. That made me 44 in 2008 when I went back, to one-horse Dongducheon near Camp Casey and the DMZ, amazingly small but nevertheless filled with Noraebangs and Budongsans (real estate offices).

In 2008, being 44 didn't keep me from trying again, this time taking my wife and then-3-year-old daughter, as I said, back to the US in 2011. I've never considered China, Saudi Arabia--these days, the strictest Muslim country is no place for dyed-in-the-wool Bible believer to be--Russia, nor anywhere else, really, because Korea has always been good to me.

I've had a lot of the negative experiences as well, as in Guri City, but the people, the language-learning, the teaching--my specialty--has always been worth the trouble, and I've always been willing to travel to other countries; however, as an ESL teacher strictly, I think I have to find a 'home country', so to speak. And my daughter absolutely loved it there, being an outgoing and engaging 3-year-old subway attraction, meaning she charmed a lot of Koreans old and young out of little trinkets while riding the subways. She's now 8 and looking forward to returning.
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hubbahubba



Joined: 31 May 2008

PostPosted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

please...don't do anything to ruin the "naysayers" and their absolutel inability to get a job because they're lazy pieces of dung...lol..."Korea is a horrible, racist, manipulative society"...not that every other society isn't like that. Don't ruin their vibe---the "woe is me..it was so much better 4 years ago..yada'" they might implode from the stress
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