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young_clinton
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| Korea builds ships that are technologically superior than the ships that China builds. According to "The Economist", Korea builds primarily ships that carry natural gas, where as the ships that China builds are junk in terms of construction just like everything else that China does. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 12:46 am Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| Korea builds ships that are technologically superior than the ships that China builds. According to "The Economist", Korea builds primarily ships that carry natural gas, where as the ships that China builds are junk in terms of construction just like everything else that China does. |
Who sells more ships? That's who is #1.
If you wish to judge by "technologically superior," then the U.S. is the world's No. 1 shipbuilder.
I dig the sinophobia though. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 1:43 am Post subject: |
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Surely you must be joking? |
Not really, SR.
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The fact that a floating population of over 8000 Japanese fishermen make a living by fishing on the coast near Fusan shows that there is a redundant harvest to be reaped. The Korean fisherman is credited with utter want of enterprise, and MR Oiesen, in the customes report for Wonsan for 1891, acuses him of "remaining content with such fish as will run into crudely and easily constructed traps, set out along the shore, which only require attention for an hour or so each day". I must, however, say, that each village (on the coast) that I passed possessed from seven to twelve fishing junks, which were kept at sea.They are unseaworthy boats, and it is not surprising that they hug the shore".
Korea and her neighbours, 1897 |
It takes time to dig them up, but there are plenty more similar historic accounts.
Corea did not have adequate vessels or navy to defend herself or even carry out basic fishing activities for centuries. That is one reason she got invaded so easily.
In 1588 a smaller force of English ships destroyed the Spanish Armada- an invading force of 130 galleons - sinking half of them before they even made land.
So for someone from korea (how many times were you invaded?) to go to London and claim that
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| "Koreas shipbuilding technologuy is over 300 years ahead of Britains! |
-is stupid in the extreme. |
You do realize there is a difference between local fishermongers and navies, right? You wouldn't judge the Royal Navy and the British ability to build ships in 1800 based on the fishing boats in the river Thames would you?
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| They probably meant to say that Korea's shipbuilding history goes back 300 more years than England's. I think the guy just misspoke or what he said was translated wrong. |
What the guy was trying to say is that Korea's has a proud tradition of shipbuilding, which they were probably unaware of.
Anyways, if they listened to Chaparrastique, they would have ended up like all those other guys who rejected his investment proposal. Probably similar to a bunch of people in the 1950s laughing at some Japanese guy telling them that Japan could make great cars and electronics. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:28 am Post subject: |
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What the guy was trying to say is that Korea's has a proud tradition of shipbuilding, which they were probably unaware of. |
Evidence?
You see SR every time we have these sorts of debates I bring actual evidence to the table that backs my view. All you ever do is mouth unfounded nationalistic propaganda.
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| Anyways, if they listened to Chaparrastique, they would have ended up like all those other guys who rejected his investment proposal. |
I don't doubt Koreans have specialized in pumping out McBoats for the last few decades. They excel at copying others ideas, or when under the direction of westerners. |
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aq8knyus
Joined: 28 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 10:47 am Post subject: |
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I posted that stuff about Korean shipbuilding to demonstrate that Korea has an enourmous talent for turning rocks into replicators.
Korea had no ship building industry. Nothing. Nada.
The rubbish about the turtle ships probably didn't happen and would be historically inaccurate. What was amazing was how Korea learnt from a global leader and then improved upon what they had learned.
That is exactly how the US industrialized and it is how Korea, China and the rest of Asia have now laid the foundations to leap ahead.
Korea went to one of the leading countries at the time, sought investment and brought in skilled workers to build their industry from stratch. Fast forward to today and Korea has surged to the forefront.
Conversely, it also has lessons for the UK as the Korean ship building industry that they would do so much to help is now a global leader whilst in the UK the industry is dead.
The ideologically driven unions and government of the time ruined a perfectly viable industry. To get back on track we should start looking at the current global leaders and maybe 'steal' some their ideas. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 3:00 pm Post subject: |
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| You see SR every time we have these sorts of debates I bring actual evidence to the table that backs my view. All you ever do is mouth unfounded nationalistic propaganda. |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_history_of_Korea
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| I don't doubt Koreans have specialized in pumping out McBoats for the last few decades. They excel at copying others ideas, or when under the direction of westerners. |
Sorry, there's more to developing the number 1 industry in anything than just copying and pumping out McWhatever.
All companies and cultures copy off of others. The world isn't a vacuum. You think there weren't "2nd line" US electronics or shipbuilding companies too? Also, when you have nothing, you have to start from somewhere. R&D to surpass the U.S. technologically in certain markets would have been virtually impossible.
You're asking a kid with a pencil and paper to build and design a computer that is superior to another kid who already has a working computer and asking that kid with pencil and paper to not look at any other computers in order to create his. There's no way the person can catch up.
Money doesn't grow on trees and R&D is expensive. The safe course is to build up the prosperity of your people so they can in turn have the surplus capital and time to devote to invention after establishing successful industries.
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| Korea has an enourmous talent for turning rocks into replicators. |
Okay, Keevan. Good luck with your prisoner exchange. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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Wikipedia is not a credible source. Anyone can write it.
That particular entry appears to have been -predictably-written by a Korean. Its amazing how you can embroider a few rowing boats into a might navy. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:22 am Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
Wikipedia is not a credible source. Anyone can write it.
That particular entry appears to have been -predictably-written by a Korean. Its amazing how you can embroider a few rowing boats into a might navy. |
Well theres certainly going to be no firsthand European sources for much of that time.
Youre suggesting the Imjin wars and everything else is just folktale and legend? Most of that time involved wars with Japan and China and have corresponding histories of such events.
Just because YOU have never heard about it and havent studied it, doesnt mean it didnt happen. |
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