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Stan Rogers
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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America has been moving to contain China for the last 20 years. There was a documentary made about this subject and aired on cable about 8 years ago. I watched it, very interesting.
This is another one, The Pivot:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8uWcQtAoRFs
I don't think America would fight the Chicoms alone. Most nations in Asia don't want to be dominated by a commie regime. Most would be on America's side. The question China has to ask itself is: "Do I really want to go to war against the combined forces of:"
America
Philippines
Japan
South Korea
Australia
and The Sheep herder Guys
Hell, America doesn't need to fight China, the Japanese will do it for them. |
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Cave Dweller
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Are they mounted to sharks' heads?
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Stan Rogers
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Hell, America doesn't need to fight China, the Japanese will do it for them. |
I think the Japanese would kick the crap out of the Chinese out numbered or not.
They just got more drive to win and more extensive experience fighting the Chinese. |
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Old Painless
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Queue the inspirational stars and stripes music:
We put a man on the moon, we fought two World Wars, we built an intercontinental RR, we dammed mighty rivers, we invented manned-powered flight, we invented the light bulb. We stole resources from more nations than anyone else in history!!
China? We'll wipe em out in a couple of weeks, take their land and settle all the liberals there, along with the undesirables!  |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 3:04 am Post subject: Re: American troop buildup in SE Asia.- Is China nervous? |
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| Old Brainless wrote: |
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American might? American might not...
What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up - or about to be - with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, as turning off the TV set with the remote control.
The Russian Su-24 then simulated a missile attack against the USS Donald Cook, which was left literally deaf and blind. As if carrying out a training exercise, the Russian aircraft - unarmed - repeated the same maneuver 12 times before flying away.
After that, the 4th generation destroyer immediately set sail towards a port in Romania.
Since that incident, which the Atlanticist media have carefully covered up despite the widespread reactions sparked among defense industry experts, no US ship has ever approached Russian territorial waters again.
According to some specialized media, 27 sailors from the USS Donald Cook requested to be relieved from active service.
Vladimir Balybine - director of the research center on electronic warfare and the evaluation of so-called "visibility reduction" techniques attached to the Russian Air Force Academy - made the following comment:
"The more a radio-electronic system is complex, the easier it is to disable it through the use of electronic warfare."
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187% absolute bullshit
Why would a crew be "demoralized"? We are not at war. It is generally considered bad to blow unarmed aircraft out of the sky. Hundreds of US warships have been overflown by SU/FSU aircraft. Not one sailor was ever demoralized.
Here's the evidence dumb-ass:
Two U.S. Ships in Black Sea, French Surveillance Ship Due Friday
By: Sam LaGrone
Published: October 13, 2014 2:31 PM •
http://news.usni.org/2014/10/13/two-u-s-ships-black-sea-french-surveillance-ship-due-friday
By Phillip Swarts - The Washington Times - Wednesday, September 3, 2014
Responding to turmoil in Ukraine, the U.S. Navy announced Wednesday that a guided missile destroyer had entered the Black Sea.
The USS Ross "serves to demonstrate the United States’ commitment to strengthening the collective security of NATO allies and partners in the region,” the Navy said in a press release.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/3/navy-destroyer-enters-black-sea-tension-ukraine/
USS Cole to Enter Black Sea
Story Number: NNS141009-14Release Date: 10/9/2014 2:56:00 PM
By U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa/U.S. 6th Fleet Public Affairs
USS COLE, At Sea (NNS) -- The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67) will enter the Black Sea, Oct. 10, to promote peace and stability in the region.
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=83782
Here's an idea, quit believing every propaganda site you come across, you're a college grad - so learn how to google. |
"Why would a crew be "demoralized"? We are not at war." says Old Brainless...
People in the Navy can and do become demoralized.
One indication is that the Navy exposed its people to massive amounts of nuclear radiation in Japan.
Another indication is that the rate of suicide in the Navy has been increasing.
These are two examples, there are more. Your ignorance is not my problem.
U.S. Navy Sailors Sue Japan Power Co. For Radiation Exposure During 2011 Quake, Tsunami Rescue
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/11/21/navy-sailors-report-radiation-sickness-japan-quake-tsunami-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant/
Rare cancers, blindness, birth defects and now, two deaths.
Hundreds of U.S. sailors who took part in rescue efforts following Japan’s earthquake and tsunami say they were exposed to dangerous levels of radiation.
Navy: Store guns of sailors at risk for suicide
http://hamptonroads.com/2014/11/navy-store-guns-sailors-risk-suicide
Like the military's other branches, the Navy in recent years has made reducing suicides a top priority. It has added prevention programs and mental health specialists, and it is taking steps to reduce sailors' stress, especially among those who deploy.
Two years ago, the service created a task force charged with building sailors' resiliency, which research has linked to decreased suicide risk.
Still, suicides have increased, from 41 among active-duty sailors last year to 46 so far in 2014. |
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basic69isokay
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
Location: korea
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| CentralCali wrote: |
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| Yes, China and the US are on a collision course. |
Doubtful.
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| Thats why theres a military base going up in Jeju now. |
That's not a US base.
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But, you know what? I wouldn't be so sure the US will win.
China and Russia are much stronger than you claim. Russia in particular is a sleeping giant, economically.
China has more technology and man power than people realize. I'd say the US last remaining chance is flexing military muscle, once the economy officially collapses (as it almost did in 2008, only saved by bailouts that were essentially borrowed from China.) But at that time, I'm not convinced the US will have a Cakewalk. That's not what happened in Vietnam, Iraq, or Afghanistan.
History warns against underestimating these situations. |
What does it say about overestimating them?
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So, basically no, China's not nervous.
I'd guess Obama is though. |
I'd say neither. |
Not a US base officially but like all other bases in SK, the Americans will have access.
Do you not believe that? Jeju people already assume its going to be used by the US. |
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Old Painless
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:00 am Post subject: Re: American troop buildup in SE Asia.- Is China nervous? |
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| Old Brainless wrote: |
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American might? American might not...
What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up - or about to be - with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, as turning off the TV set with the remote control.
The Russian Su-24 then simulated a missile attack against the USS Donald Cook, which was left literally deaf and blind. As if carrying out a training exercise, the Russian aircraft - unarmed - repeated the same maneuver 12 times before flying away.
After that, the 4th generation destroyer immediately set sail towards a port in Romania.
Since that incident, which the Atlanticist media have carefully covered up despite the widespread reactions sparked among defense industry experts, no US ship has ever approached Russian territorial waters again.
According to some specialized media, 27 sailors from the USS Donald Cook requested to be relieved from active service.
Vladimir Balybine - director of the research center on electronic warfare and the evaluation of so-called "visibility reduction" techniques attached to the Russian Air Force Academy - made the following comment:
"The more a radio-electronic system is complex, the easier it is to disable it through the use of electronic warfare."
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187% absolute bullshit
Why would a crew be "demoralized"? We are not at war. It is generally considered bad to blow unarmed aircraft out of the sky. Hundreds of US warships have been overflown by SU/FSU aircraft. Not one sailor was ever demoralized.
Here's the evidence dumb-ass:
Two U.S. Ships in Black Sea, French Surveillance Ship Due Friday
By: Sam LaGrone
Published: October 13, 2014 2:31 PM •
http://news.usni.org/2014/10/13/two-u-s-ships-black-sea-french-surveillance-ship-due-friday
By Phillip Swarts - The Washington Times - Wednesday, September 3, 2014
Responding to turmoil in Ukraine, the U.S. Navy announced Wednesday that a guided missile destroyer had entered the Black Sea.
The USS Ross "serves to demonstrate the United States’ commitment to strengthening the collective security of NATO allies and partners in the region,” the Navy said in a press release.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/3/navy-destroyer-enters-black-sea-tension-ukraine/
USS Cole to Enter Black Sea
Story Number: NNS141009-14Release Date: 10/9/2014 2:56:00 PM
By U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa/U.S. 6th Fleet Public Affairs
USS COLE, At Sea (NNS) -- The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67) will enter the Black Sea, Oct. 10, to promote peace and stability in the region.
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=83782
Here's an idea, quit believing every propaganda site you come across, you're a college grad - so learn how to google. |
"Why would a crew be "demoralized"? We are not at war." says Old Brainless...
People in the Navy can and do become demoralized.
One indication is that the Navy exposed its people to massive amounts of nuclear radiation in Japan.
Another indication is that the rate of suicide in the Navy has been increasing.
These are two examples, there are more. Your ignorance is not my problem.
U.S. Navy Sailors Sue Japan Power Co. For Radiation Exposure During 2011 Quake, Tsunami Rescue
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/11/21/navy-sailors-report-radiation-sickness-japan-quake-tsunami-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant/
Rare cancers, blindness, birth defects and now, two deaths.
Hundreds of U.S. sailors who took part in rescue efforts following Japan’s earthquake and tsunami say they were exposed to dangerous levels of radiation.
Navy: Store guns of sailors at risk for suicide
http://hamptonroads.com/2014/11/navy-store-guns-sailors-risk-suicide
Like the military's other branches, the Navy in recent years has made reducing suicides a top priority. It has added prevention programs and mental health specialists, and it is taking steps to reduce sailors' stress, especially among those who deploy.
Two years ago, the service created a task force charged with building sailors' resiliency, which research has linked to decreased suicide risk.
Still, suicides have increased, from 41 among active-duty sailors last year to 46 so far in 2014. |
Did you really graduate from an institution of higher learning?
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| "Why would a crew be "demoralized"? We are not at war." says Old Brainless... |
I would take the time to point out every mistake you've made, but I don't have to because anyone with half a brain can easily see you're full of shit. You either have an agenda, or you're just really, really lacking critical thinking skills.
You just went backwards, and you can't dispute that bullshit article had any merit. You're now going sideways. Make up your mind.
And go pound some sand. |
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guavashake
Joined: 09 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 5:13 am Post subject: Re: American troop buildup in SE Asia.- Is China nervous? |
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| guavashake wrote: |
| Old Brainless wrote: |
| guavashake wrote: |
American might? American might not...
What frightened the USS Donald Cook so much in the Black Sea?
http://www.voltairenet.org/article185860.html
As the Russian jet approached the US vessel, the electronic device disabled all radars, control circuits, systems, information transmission, etc. on board the US destroyer. In other words, the all-powerful Aegis system, now hooked up - or about to be - with the defense systems installed on NATO’s most modern ships was shut down, as turning off the TV set with the remote control.
The Russian Su-24 then simulated a missile attack against the USS Donald Cook, which was left literally deaf and blind. As if carrying out a training exercise, the Russian aircraft - unarmed - repeated the same maneuver 12 times before flying away.
After that, the 4th generation destroyer immediately set sail towards a port in Romania.
Since that incident, which the Atlanticist media have carefully covered up despite the widespread reactions sparked among defense industry experts, no US ship has ever approached Russian territorial waters again.
According to some specialized media, 27 sailors from the USS Donald Cook requested to be relieved from active service.
Vladimir Balybine - director of the research center on electronic warfare and the evaluation of so-called "visibility reduction" techniques attached to the Russian Air Force Academy - made the following comment:
"The more a radio-electronic system is complex, the easier it is to disable it through the use of electronic warfare."
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187% absolute bullshit
Why would a crew be "demoralized"? We are not at war. It is generally considered bad to blow unarmed aircraft out of the sky. Hundreds of US warships have been overflown by SU/FSU aircraft. Not one sailor was ever demoralized.
Here's the evidence dumb-ass:
Two U.S. Ships in Black Sea, French Surveillance Ship Due Friday
By: Sam LaGrone
Published: October 13, 2014 2:31 PM •
http://news.usni.org/2014/10/13/two-u-s-ships-black-sea-french-surveillance-ship-due-friday
By Phillip Swarts - The Washington Times - Wednesday, September 3, 2014
Responding to turmoil in Ukraine, the U.S. Navy announced Wednesday that a guided missile destroyer had entered the Black Sea.
The USS Ross "serves to demonstrate the United States’ commitment to strengthening the collective security of NATO allies and partners in the region,” the Navy said in a press release.
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/sep/3/navy-destroyer-enters-black-sea-tension-ukraine/
USS Cole to Enter Black Sea
Story Number: NNS141009-14Release Date: 10/9/2014 2:56:00 PM
By U.S. Naval Forces Europe-Africa/U.S. 6th Fleet Public Affairs
USS COLE, At Sea (NNS) -- The Arleigh Burke-class guided-missile destroyer USS Cole (DDG 67) will enter the Black Sea, Oct. 10, to promote peace and stability in the region.
http://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=83782
Here's an idea, quit believing every propaganda site you come across, you're a college grad - so learn how to google. |
"Why would a crew be "demoralized"? We are not at war." says Old Brainless...
People in the Navy can and do become demoralized.
One indication is that the Navy exposed its people to massive amounts of nuclear radiation in Japan.
Another indication is that the rate of suicide in the Navy has been increasing.
These are two examples, there are more. Your ignorance is not my problem.
U.S. Navy Sailors Sue Japan Power Co. For Radiation Exposure During 2011 Quake, Tsunami Rescue
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/11/21/navy-sailors-report-radiation-sickness-japan-quake-tsunami-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant/
Rare cancers, blindness, birth defects and now, two deaths.
Hundreds of U.S. sailors who took part in rescue efforts following Japan’s earthquake and tsunami say they were exposed to dangerous levels of radiation.
Navy: Store guns of sailors at risk for suicide
http://hamptonroads.com/2014/11/navy-store-guns-sailors-risk-suicide
Like the military's other branches, the Navy in recent years has made reducing suicides a top priority. It has added prevention programs and mental health specialists, and it is taking steps to reduce sailors' stress, especially among those who deploy.
Two years ago, the service created a task force charged with building sailors' resiliency, which research has linked to decreased suicide risk.
Still, suicides have increased, from 41 among active-duty sailors last year to 46 so far in 2014. |
Did you really graduate from an institution of higher learning?
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| "Why would a crew be "demoralized"? We are not at war." says Old Brainless... |
I would take the time to point out every mistake you've made, but I don't have to because anyone with half a brain can easily see you're full of shit. You just went backwards, and you can't dispute that bullshit article had any merit. You're now going sideways. Make up your mind.
And go pound some sand. |
"anyone with half a brain can easily see" says Old Brainless.
Old Brainless is visually challenged. |
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CentralCali
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Not a US base officially but like all other bases in SK, the Americans will have access. |
This is not true. US Armed Forces in Korea have access to US bases in Korea.
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| Do you not believe that? Jeju people already assume its going to be used by the US. |
What, just like you're assuming something incorrect? Doesn't matter. It's not a US base. |
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young_clinton
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Re-conquering and occupying the Philippines is but the first step.
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Yeah the US retook the Philippines from the Japanese (the Philippines had no strategic benefit, done only for the Philippinos) and now the worthless Chinese might attack and we might have to assist the Philippines once again.
A war with China would not only involve the US on one side, it would also most likely involve most of the European powers. Why because a war will be started by an incident involving China that I guarantee nobody is going to like. Unfortunately China along with Russia just can't see how bullying etc. will make somebody feel that way. "Why does Germany lose wars"? The moral of the book, because nobody liked Germany.
The important thing for the West is they have to learn also. Why did Germany get so far? Because, Germany was somehow just OK. It wasn't OK and neither is China. The same with Russia.
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young_clinton
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| Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 8:11 am Post subject: Re: American troop buildup in SE Asia.- Is China nervous? |
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Yes, they are a superpower but they can't match American might. We have them beat militerally and economically.
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China militarily was much closer in strength to the US during the Korean War. That has changed with the US getting stronger and stronger compared to China. If China is a superpower then the US is a hyper-power. Hyper-power is not my own invention. It's already been long suggested I believe, in "The Economist" my favorite magazine. |
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Steelrails
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Location: Earth, Solar System
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Re-conquering and occupying the Philippines is but the first step.
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Yeah the US retook the Philippines from the Japanese (the Philippines had no strategic benefit, done only for the Philippinos) and now the worthless Chinese might attack and we might have to assist the Philippines once again.
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Assist is a rather generous term for 50 years of colonialism and a brutal repression of an independence movement.
You do realize that to a lot of these peoples around the world, we're the latest group of A-holes to come around and boss them over their years of history, and sooner or later we'll be gone and replaced by another group, right?
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| A war with China would not only involve the US on one side, it would also most likely involve most of the European powers. |
Outside of England and France, not a single European nation has any ability whatsoever to wage serious war in the Pacific, and even Britain and France's ability is questionable. Also, why they'd want to risk nuclear war with China and Russia over some dispute over a couple of islands is beyond me. How exactly does this "war" start?
Anyways, the PLN isn't anywhere close to being ready to take on S. Korea, Japan, the Aussies, and the U.S. Heck, it'd probably struggle against the Japanese by themselves, and even S. Korea and the Aussies would have enough on their own to make such a fight an unappetizing prospect, even if victory would happen.
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And now for tin hat...
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One indication is that the Navy exposed its people to massive amounts of nuclear radiation in Japan.
Another indication is that the rate of suicide in the Navy has been increasing.
These are two examples, there are more. Your ignorance is not my problem.
U.S. Navy Sailors Sue Japan Power Co. For Radiation Exposure During 2011 Quake, Tsunami Rescue
http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2014/11/21/navy-sailors-report-radiation-sickness-japan-quake-tsunami-fukushima-nuclear-power-plant/
Rare cancers, blindness, birth defects and now, two deaths.
Hundreds of U.S. sailors who took part in rescue efforts following Japan’s earthquake and tsunami say they were exposed to dangerous levels of radiation.
Navy: Store guns of sailors at risk for suicide
http://hamptonroads.com/2014/11/navy-store-guns-sailors-risk-suicide
Like the military's other branches, the Navy in recent years has made reducing suicides a top priority. It has added prevention programs and mental health specialists, and it is taking steps to reduce sailors' stress, especially among those who deploy.
Two years ago, the service created a task force charged with building sailors' resiliency, which research has linked to decreased suicide risk.
Still, suicides have increased, from 41 among active-duty sailors last year to 46 so far in 2014. |
Yes, sailors probably got exposed. That happens when you have meltdowns and the only people left to deal with it are government employees who have to respond to things like disasters.
There were 41 suicides in 2013 among 325,000 active duty personnel. That's something like 13 per 100,000. That's a whopping 1 whole person above the suicide rate in the U.S. (12 per 100,000). Essentially, there were 5 whole people who committed suicide to given them a rate higher than the general population. That borders on the statistically insignificant. This is the kind of story that relies on people not checking all the statistics out there and using critical thinking. Ironically of course, they'll usually accuse others of being "drones and slaves" to the government or media or whatever.
Critical thinking involves more thinking, less critical. |
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guavashake
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And now for tin hat...
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Steelrails avatar is wearing a tin hat. Tinrails is more apropos.
How to Respond to a Conspiracy Theorist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJw4nHJfG-E |
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young_clinton
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Queue the inspirational stars and stripes music:
We put a man on the moon, we fought two World Wars, we built an intercontinental RR, we dammed mighty rivers, we invented manned-powered flight, we invented the light bulb. We stole resources from more nations than anyone else in history!!
China? We'll wipe em out in a couple of weeks, take their land and settle all the liberals there, along with the undesirables! |
We have bullets, some that go around corners and some that travel at 7000 miles an hour. We have lasers that can blow airplanes out of the sky and can be mounted on planes. Although wiping them out in a couple of weeks, I'm not so sure, because of the demographics.
I thought the Communists were actually the liberals, bringing about paradise on earth. This must be why they were driven to take Tibet and why they claim all of the South China Sea as belonging to them. I wonder why the Tibetans and other non-Chinese groups are so unappreciative. |
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