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weatherman
Joined: 14 Jan 2003
Location: Korea
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 Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:08 pm Post subject: Ohmynews on the lookout for foreigner/Korean couples |
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What would you say to the reporter?
Found this in my web surfings this morning.
http://oranckay.net/blog/?theDate=20040519#200405191
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An OhmyNews staff reporter plans on going with a photographer and cameraman to the area in front of Hongik University Friday night to ask around about misbehavior, or whatever, on the part of USFK personnel in that neighborhood.
I insisted on giving that reporter an hour-long lecture on the racism and sexist paternalism (the "those women belong to us" mentality) that creates a market for some of the stories one might expect to come out of such coverage. I also decided to tag along if I can make it and if my wife lets me, though I think it'll be a bore.
It was reported in February that the USFK and Korean police were considering having American military police patrol the area together with Korean police, at the USFK's suggestion.
If that's what it takes I'm not completely against the proposal, if the problem really is that serious. But the idea that the Korean police can't do it alone - even if it requires the SWAT team or riot police - is so 19th century, and even a little xenophobic in a self-defeating way.
Ah, which reminds me, the suspect(s) in the Sinchon stabbing incident is due to make an appearance early Thursday afternoon at Seoul's Seodaemun Police Station. |
Also on the same page.
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Among other things, he says that the "Hongdae is even more a problem than Sinchon. The area from Hongik University's front gate to Far East Broadcasting might as well be a foreigners' zone," though he takes some of the racism (about which I have left a members-only comment) out of that statement with a qualifying explanation as to how US soldiers come from all the way from Pyeongtaek and Uijeongbu and then on Friday and Saturday nights get in fights among themselves.
Currently he is "planning a documentary on the inappropriate scenes [displayed by] foreigners [men?] and Korean women at the clubs around Hongdae." |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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Funny how the "white horses" never quite seem to grasp the fact that this mentality exists.
Said another way: wake me when a male Korean expresses concern over the existence of Korean man/white women couples and their behavior. |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:20 pm Post subject: |
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| Currently he is "planning a documentary on the inappropriate scenes [displayed by] foreigners [men?] and Korean women at the clubs around Hongdae." |
I guess this tightass racist piece of *beep* thinks that sitting stationary waving a balloon in rhythm to music is the only appropriate form of expression here in Korea...i'd love to have a little heart to heart with this kockknocker. |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:24 pm Post subject: |
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Sounds like an ajossi sitting around drinking soju and bitching about how the country's going down the tubes. Ohmynews is such a joke, I read this guy called Joel's blog and he's come into contact with them twice (here and here), they don't even appear to try and be fair and balanced.
I live in Hongdae and to say
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| The area from Hongik University's front gate to Far East Broadcasting might as well be a foreigners' zone |
is just ridiculous. OK, if it's say club night in US66 then koreans are in the minority, but any other time/place? I've walked that entire street on a weeknight several times and have never seen another waegook. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 6:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds dodgy. Is the problem innapropriate public displays of intimacy, or innapropriate public displays of intimacy between western guys and Korean women? |
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Swiss James
Joined: 26 Nov 2003
Location: Shanghai
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 7:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it's inappropriate him not getting any. |
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beast
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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| That guy should do another story on how Korean men flock to bars with Russian "entertainers". Or better yet, follow these middle aged ajasshis down to the Philippines and see what they do while their wives think they are at a company seminar. |
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Swiss James
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 9:00 pm Post subject: |
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| or even better yet quit journalism |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
Funny how the "white horses" never quite seem to grasp the fact that this mentality exists.
Said another way: wake me when a male Korean expresses concern over the existence of Korean man/white women couples and their behavior. |
By "white horses" I assume you mean western women (I almost killed a student who introduced me to the term because his pronunciation of "horses" was particularly bad  )
I don't think any womn that I know doubts that some Korean men dislike seeing western men with Korean women. What quite a few of us do doubt though is that somewestern men don't get at least a twinge of the same feeling when they see a western woman and Korean man together. |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed May 19, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: |
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| dogbert wrote: |
Funny how the "white horses" never quite seem to grasp the fact that this mentality exists.
Said another way: wake me when a male Korean expresses concern over the existence of Korean man/white women couples and their behavior. |
By "white horses" I assume you mean western women (I almost killed a student who introduced me to the term because his pronunciation of "horses" was particularly bad )
I don't think any womn that I know doubts that some Korean men dislike seeing western men with Korean women. What quite a few of us do doubt though is that somewestern men don't get at least a twinge of the same feeling when they see a western woman and Korean man together. |
That's a fair observation. |
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just because
Joined: 01 Aug 2003
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Is anyone going to go and talk to this knobjockey of a photographer or is he just out to cause trouble???
Won't change my life in any case. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think any womn that I know doubts that some Korean men dislike seeing western men with Korean women. What quite a few of us do doubt though is that somewestern men don't get at least a twinge of the same feeling when they see a western woman and Korean man together. |
I know that for me it doesn't even register on my radar, same for all my friends. My guess is that the proportion of western men who feel like this is miniscule, while the proportion of Korean men who feel like this is clearly significant. |
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dogbert
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 8:27 pm Post subject: |
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| kiwiboy_nz_99 wrote: |
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| I don't think any womn that I know doubts that some Korean men dislike seeing western men with Korean women. What quite a few of us do doubt though is that somewestern men don't get at least a twinge of the same feeling when they see a western woman and Korean man together. |
I know that for me it doesn't even register on my radar, same for all my friends. My guess is that the proportion of western men who feel like this is miniscule, while the proportion of Korean men who feel like this is clearly significant. |
I would be highly surprised if any documentarian in either New Zealand or the United States planned to make a film about "inappropriate contact" between Korean men and white women.
Then again, in the U.K., you can't even show a documentary about how Indians are raping pubescent white girls, so what does that tell you. |
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kiwiboy_nz_99
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Then again, in the U.K., you can't even show a documentary about how Indians are raping pubescent white girls, so what does that tell you. |
I don't what that tells me actually. Are you comparing the rape of babies to consensual contact between males and females of different races? |
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dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu May 20, 2004 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| Then again, in the U.K., you can't even show a documentary about how Indians are raping pubescent white girls, so what does that tell you. |
I don't what that tells me actually. Are you comparing the rape of babies to consensual contact between males and females of different races? |
Happy to spell it out for you.
1. Some Korean doofus was quoted in the Ohmynews (what an idiotic name, BTW) as saying that he is "planning a documentary on the inappropriate scenes [displayed by] foreigners [men?] and Korean women at the clubs around Hongdae."
2. In another thread on this message board a poster posted a link to an article in the "Guardian" (a U.K. newspaper) the subject of which was the decision not to air on television an already-filmed and scheduled-to-be-aired documentary on how South Asians (which is what polite Englishmen call Indians, Pakistanis, and Bangladeshis and the like) who the U.K. authorities have generously allowed to reside upon the Sceptered Isle have shown their gratitude by hooking 11-year-old (not "babies" -- this is not a South Africa thread) white girls on drugs so that they will have sex with these Worthy Oriental Gentlemen. (I guess some inducement is necessary)
3. The conclusion that can be inferred here is not what you grasped at, but that while consensual relationships between white men and "local" women are fair game for criticism, deviant sexual crimes committed ON A PLANNED AND ORGANIZED BASIS by "local" men against white women, some yet to experience menarche (look it up), is hushed up.
HTH |
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