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thrylos
Joined: 10 Jun 2008
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 Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 1:53 am Post subject: EZTV and Piratebay down |
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I'm starting to go into panic mode, and it's only been a day!! Probably not a big scare, they'll be up in another day or so, hopefully!
Anyone know/use another site similar to EZTV that lists TV show in reverse chronological order instead of having to type in each show? Without an insane amount of popup ads/malware?
Not too fond of KA torrents or extratorrents, not even sure they have the range of EZTV's shows. ETTV is another decent sharing tracker/uploader, but he's well behind the folks of EZTV in uploading shows in a timely manner.  [/img] |
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jvalmer
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:13 am Post subject: |
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Phew. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to re-up my grot collection. Thanks, bro. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:16 am Post subject: |
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Phew. I was worried that I wouldn't be able to re-up my grot collection. Thanks, bro. |
Sorry, I jumped the gun, it's not working. Could be fake. Might have to wait a few more days for something to pop up. Or it could be over for TPB. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| If the torrents are gone, good riddance! People will have to start paying for the music that other people had to invest and risk their money to bring to the public. |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:11 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| If the torrents are gone, good riddance! People will have to start paying for the music that other people had to invest and risk their money to bring to the public. |
yip.
And you might not be an utter dick head when you wake up tomorrow, but that isn't going to happen either... |
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leicsmac
Joined: 07 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
| If the torrents are gone, good riddance! People will have to start paying for the music that other people had to invest and risk their money to bring to the public. |
If the aforementioned money was guaranteed to go straight to the maker/artist, then I'd agree with you. Sadly the entertainment industry is still dominated by the corporate leeches in the "distribution" industry trying to cling to a business model that has been long outmoded.
Move with the times or die out, guys. Your choice. Controlling internet distribution in the way you want is not possible. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 9:56 pm Post subject: |
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| leicsmac wrote: |
Sadly the entertainment industry is still dominated by the corporate leeches in the "distribution" industry trying to cling to a business model that has been long outmoded.
Move with the times or die out, guys. Your choice. Controlling internet distribution in the way you want is not possible. |
The model that allows corporate leeches can be changed. If the music is free then the people that download the music become leeches and everybody loses. Isn't that generally why people have to work and pay for what they use and consume?
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leicsmac
Joined: 07 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:00 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
The model that allows corporate leeches can be changed. If the music is free then the people that download the music become leeches and everybody loses. |
Which is why I'm very much in favour of direct distribution, and I think many artists are beginning to warm to the idea.
There's always people who will want something for nothing, but there have been enough successful examples of direct distribution and "pay what you want" releases from artists that the corporate middleman can now be dispensed with.
Piracy, though unethical, might actually clue those in charge in to speed this process up some. Or they might continue to remain dinosaurs wanting to keep things the way they are. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:04 pm Post subject: |
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| leicsmac wrote: |
| young_clinton wrote: |
The model that allows corporate leeches can be changed. If the music is free then the people that download the music become leeches and everybody loses. |
Which is why I'm very much in favour of direct distribution, and I think many artists are beginning to warm to the idea.
There's always people who will want something for nothing, but there have been enough successful examples of direct distribution and "pay what you want" releases from artists that the corporate middleman can now be dispensed with.
Piracy, though unethical, might actually clue those in charge in to speed this process up some. Or they might continue to remain dinosaurs wanting to keep things the way they are. |
Direct distribution is bartering. Who wants to go back to that economic system? |
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tanklor1
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leicsmac
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:39 pm Post subject: |
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| young_clinton wrote: |
Direct distribution is bartering. Who wants to go back to that economic system? |
If it means that the person who actually made and put the effort into making the product gets the profit from it, absolutely. With the Internet, this particular area of business can be run efficently enough to please everyone in that way. |
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Fox
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| leicsmac wrote: |
| Piracy, though unethical, might actually clue those in charge in to speed this process up some. |
"Piracy" is not unethical. A limited form of copyright which restricted for-profit activity and only for-profit activity might be reasonable. Harassing people for sharing songs or stories with friends, or even strangers, for free is perverse.
There's a theme of "artificial scarcity" in modern society. You see it in the arts, you see it in research and academic journals, you see it in medicine (both with regards to pharmeceuticals and even with regards to medical practitioners), and so forth. It's purpose is not to make life better for the common citizen, it is to extract more money (which is to say, more labor) from the common citizen to earn the same benefit. When you say that "piracy" is unethical, you are not only lending ideological support to artificial scarcity, you are suggesting that refusing to comply with artificial scarcity is itself wrong. I can see that you're trying to be measured and moderate in your position, but there's no reason to be measured or moderate in the face of parties which hold this up as a proper standard of justice.
I am not saying that artists ought not to be compensated for their work. There are alternative models which financially incentivize creation without relying upon artificial scarcity, and not every download is equivalent to a sale lost anyway. Quite the opposite, it's not necessarily uncommon for someone to download something, find they like it, and then go buy more of it. |
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leicsmac
Joined: 07 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox wrote: |
| leicsmac wrote: |
| Piracy, though unethical, might actually clue those in charge in to speed this process up some. |
"Piracy" is not unethical. A limited form of copyright which restricted for-profit activity and only for-profit activity might be reasonable. Harassing people for sharing songs or stories with friends, or even strangers, for free is perverse.
There's a theme of "artificial scarcity" in modern society. You see it in the arts, you see it in research and academic journals, you see it in medicine (both with regards to pharmeceuticals and even with regards to medical practitioners), and so forth. It's purpose is not to make life better for the common citizen, it is to extract more money (which is to say, more labor) from the common citizen to earn the same benefit. When you say that "piracy" is unethical, you are not only lending ideological support to artificial scarcity, you are suggesting that refusing to comply with artificial scarcity is itself wrong. I can see that you're trying to be measured and moderate in your position, but there's no reason to be measured or moderate in the face of parties which hold this up as a proper standard of justice.
I am not saying that artists ought not to be compensated for their work. There are alternative models which financially incentivize creation without relying upon artificial scarcity. |
Yeah, you're actually right on this. My attempt was to be magnanimous by referring to piracy in that way. My actual view regarding it is pretty much the same as yours detailed here.
Piracy does not violate any ethical standards I personally hold (digital information should be far more freely available than it is already, IMO, particularly for the purposes of academic and practical education), however I try to respect the views of those it does. Perhaps I'm too diplomatic for my own good. |
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slothrop
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