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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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 Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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Wooden Nickels can't even tell the difference between a person whose screen name is a Harry Potter character and a black person. 'nuff said. Anyone who defends someone who happens to be black, must be black, huh? I defend gay marriages too, so it means I wanna kiss you? Says it all.
Not here to change anyone's mind candy bar. btw, not a fan of Sharpton and to the best of my knowledge, the vast majority of Blacks don't like hm much eihter but he is who the media wants out front. Not reported but he was told by many protest leaders to stay away. The media needs their black bogeyman though so he gets news shows and gets to be on MSNBC.
Anyone who sees the case initially with true open eyes and sides with the cops initially as the ones doing the loudest talking are and works backwards looking for anything to support their view says it all.
Steelrails, what scientific evidence. Be specific. Because if we're talking bruises, its not proven he had them when it occured. If its projectory of bullets and all that, its NOT scientific but an educated guess. DNA evidence is scientific. The entirety of the case screams injustice. The actions of the cops and the Ferguson political/law enforcement people screams set up, witness tampering, fraud, infilitraing the crowd to induce riots, etc.
I'm just here to expose the bullshit to the neutrals and the other folks who may think of buying this crap..lol.
Anyone who has seen the various videos and electronic media of the eyewitnesses, this is immediate, no collaboration. Its murder. The people who control the crime scene and gather the evidence are the same people siding with Wilson. That fact escapes you because you choose to. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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| ...the fact that attorney general of the US smells something fishy as well is lost on you all..ah...but he's black so he's inherently not fair. Holder is not Sharpton, he's as establishment as they come. |
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sirius black
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sirius black
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sirius black
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:02 pm Post subject: |
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This is NOT to convince Steelrails and certainly Candy Bar wouldn't care if there was a video showing the actual murder. Again, his bigotry is upfront and I respect the honesty.
This is for the rest of you, silently not wanting to take a stand (kudos to Plain) and may be buying the meme about Wilson being spouted here.
...we know one of the witnesses has been killed afterwards as well recently. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
This is NOT to convince Steelrails and certainly Candy Bar wouldn't care if there was a video showing the actual murder. Again, his bigotry is upfront and I respect the honesty.
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Just because someone disagrees with you over your interpretation of the facts of the case, does not make them a bigot. IT IS REVOLTING that you are employing that tactic. If the facts were so strong, you would not have to do so. I argued with people here over the use of the word "thug" and went against the popular grain by saying it was racially charged. I argued on these boards that Michael Brown and Trayvon were not thugs. DON'T ACCUSE ME OF BIGOTRY.
As for scientific evidence, the blood trail, blood residue in the car, powder burn on Brown's hand, blood trail of Brown, location of entry wounds, and location of shell casings all support Wilson's version. The alternative version is not supported by ALL of the physical evidence.
But I have to call the facts like I see them. The evidence and inconsistent eyewitness testimony does not support an indictment. When center-left journalists and respected analysts like CNN's Jeffrey Toobin are saying the case was weak, you need to listen. If there was something there, he would have pounced on it.
And again on the bruises- visible injuries are not the nest indicator of force or damage. An elbow across the forehead can produce a nasty cut, but the person is fine. A KO to the head might leave a minimal mark.
BRUISES DON'T CAUSE YOU TO BE KNOCKED OUT. YOUR BRAIN RATTLING INSIDE YOUR SKULL DOES".
AND AGAIN, ANSWER THE QUESTION Why is scientific evidence reliable when it exonerates innocent black men, but unreliable when it exonerates cops? Why is eyewitness testimony unreliable when it sends innocent black men to prison, but it is reliable when it sends cops to prison? |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 6:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
AND AGAIN, ANSWER THE QUESTION Why is scientific evidence reliable when it exonerates innocent black men, but unreliable when it exonerates cops? Why is eyewitness testimony unreliable when it sends innocent black men to prison, but it is reliable when it sends cops to prison? |
I'll answer your question. Scientific evidence is scientific evidence. You are making the assumption that its only reliable exonerating innocent black men. I am NOT. You are assuming things.
Truth is truth. There are tons of very, guilty black people in prison deservedly. Tons. Just like there are for any other people.
This particular case stinks. You and some others seem to believe what many non blacks and fory million blacks as well as the international media and world opinion doesn't as if you have some insight the overwhelming amount of people do not.
The cops control the crime scene. The SAME cops who lied, obfuscated, incited riots, etc. You are asking everyone to believe people who lie and people who have shown a bias to Wilson. How is that hard to understand?
Again, I've produced a video showing the distance the cops said is a lie. I've showed videos that of initial reactions. Eyewitness as it happened, NOT recall, as it happened. Texts, voice mails, who reported it afterwards, say the same thing. They saw murder.
Then you want us to trust the 'evidence' of law enforcement and Ferguson officials who openly want Wilson exonerated. Wilson with a history of racial animus. Wilson who has lied. Witnesses who have lied.The cops had his body for hours. They know how to plant evidence and change evidence. Take the supposed powder burns. NONE of the eyewitnesses see this. You've seen enoug cop shows at least to know that. Like its the first time cops will plant evidence. Second, what about the likely scenario that Wilson called Brown over to his car, threatening his life? That is much, more likely given the entirety.
And the premise, of some arbitrary unarmed teen, college bound, attacking a cop? Really Steelrails?
Martin and Brown aren't thugs? Thats obvious. Admitting that isn't some great insight. Its a given.
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/08/18/1322540/-Autopsy-suggests-Mike-Brown-had-his-arms-in-surrender-position-when-Darren-Wilson-killed-him# |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Wed Dec 17, 2014 8:48 pm Post subject: |
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Non Americans, here is a quick easy litmus test about your American friends. If their vitew lines up pretty much with Fox News. You know where they really are.
Fox News: Martin, Brown, Garner, etc.all deserved it and in the wake of overwhelming evidence, doesn't get a mention. |
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Nester Noodlemon
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black is running a one-man-campaign. Everyone is laughing at him. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| Nester Noodlemon wrote: |
| sirius black is running a one-man-campaign. Everyone is laughing at him. |
When you can't accept or argue the truth. Ridicule. LOL...lets all laugh at so and so. Childish. One of the old tactics of bullies. Laughable. Go back to Fox news son. |
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Nester Noodlemon
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 3:45 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| Nester Noodlemon wrote: |
| sirius black is running a one-man-campaign. Everyone is laughing at him. |
When you can't accept or argue the truth. Ridicule. LOL...lets all laugh at so and so. Childish. One of the old tactics of bullies. Laughable. Go back to Fox news son. |
Scientific facts have popped your argument. Stop using victim mentality and playing the racial card. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:07 pm Post subject: |
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Specifically WHAT scientific evidence?
Keep in mind folks. They want us to believe the evidence gathered, etc, was in no way biased or tainted.
I showd a video of reporters showing the distance was not true. Its almost like a person being on trial in N. Korea and saying "see the evidence is against them".
The 'race card' being played deflection to hide bigotry. That one is way too old, need new stuff.
Look at the history of the opinions on here. They line perfectly up with Fox News opinions. All of the folks Martin, Brown, etc. brought on their own deaths. All unarmed.
As I said, the fast, easy litmus test is how often the opinions line up with the Dick Cheney crowd. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 4:08 pm Post subject: |
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| ...bear in mind you NEVER hear the scientifc evidence trotted out in cases like OJ. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:22 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
The cops control the crime scene. The SAME cops who lied, obfuscated, incited riots, etc. You are asking everyone to believe people who lie and people who have shown a bias to Wilson. How is that hard to understand?
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Yes, because those witnesses don't lie. 
There have been no witness claims of cops running around in plain view and dribbling blood everywhere and kicking shell casings around.
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| Again, I've produced a video showing the distance the cops said is a lie. |
No, the police chief made an erroneous statement during a press conference. That is not the same as Officer Wilson lying about events. Officer Wilson's sworn testimony, corroborated by Witness #10 and others, states that there was a pursuit and that he was not next to his car.
This is corroborated by the physical evidence-
http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/08/13/us/ferguson-missouri-town-under-siege-after-police-shooting.html
Witness claims that Wilson fired at Brown as his back was turned are not backed by the shell casings.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/national/ferguson-grand-jury-findings/
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| I've showed videos that of initial reactions. Eyewitness as it happened, NOT recall, as it happened. |
Eyewitness testimony can be biased and unreliable. Not all eyewitness testimony is equal, especially if it fails to match with physical evidence.
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| Then you want us to trust the 'evidence' of law enforcement and Ferguson officials who openly want Wilson exonerated. Wilson with a history of racial animus. Wilson who has lied. Witnesses who have lied. |
So instead we should trust the testimony of random eyewitnesses, who may not have seen everything, who openly want Wilson convicted, who they themselves might have an issue of racial animus, and whose statements have been shown to be lies (admitted under questioning during the Grand Jury)?
This works both ways. That's why eyewitness testimony is unreliable.
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| .The cops had his body for hours. They know how to plant evidence and change evidence. |
There is no evidence of this. The crime scene was in plain view and no claim of evidence tampering has taken place. An independent autopsy was conducted by an ME hired by Brown's family.
Are you claiming that the Ferguson PD was somehow able to mess with Brown's corpse within the space of 6 hours without a trace in some sort of CIA-level cover-up? Please.
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| Take the supposed powder burns. NONE of the eyewitnesses see this |
Those burns aren't large enough for eyewitnesses to see. Duh. Powder burns don't mean that Brown was running around on fire. Good grief.
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| Second, what about the likely scenario that Wilson called Brown over to his car, threatening his life? That is much, more likely given the entirety. |
So Officer Wilson called Brown over and said "If you don't do what I say, I'll kill you"???? Not simply arrest him, kill him. Are you claiming Wilson set out with the goal of killing a black man that day?
That's speculation and conjecture.
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| And the premise, of some arbitrary unarmed teen, college bound, attacking a cop? Really Steelrails? |
Yes, because unarmed people have never gotten into a fist fight with the cops.
At my high school back home, my freshman year, we had a borderline riot where a kid got busted for drugs and him and couple of his friends got into a fistfight with an administrator and our school cop in plain view of 1000 students who were cheering the kids on. Made the front page of the newspaper.
Absolutely unarmed teens can attack cops. Really sirius black?
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Look at the history of the opinions on here. They line perfectly up with Fox News opinions. All of the folks Martin, Brown, etc. brought on their own deaths. All unarmed.
As I said, the fast, easy litmus test is how often the opinions line up with the Dick Cheney crowd. |
My opinion that Wilson acted in self-defense but bringing this situation on was a violation of Brown's civil rights is a FOXNews opinion?
The analyses of Jeffrey Toobin at CNN and at Slate are FOXNews? The New York Times? The Washington Post? Those are center-left sources that regularly rip on FOXNews. I deliberately AVOID FOXNews and right-wing media for reporting on foreign policy, crime, and social events because they are notoriously unreliable. My opinions are based on center-left news sources.
I didn't come out with an opinion on whether this shooting was clean or dirty until after the Grand Jury evidence was released because I didn't have enough information to make a call. I kept an open mind. I reviewed the details of the case. It became clear that the evidence combined with the inconsistency in eyewitness tended to support Officer Wilson's claim of self-defense. Certainly there wasn't enough to convict him as it stands, but who knows after a trial. If the Grand Jury had chosen to indict him, I would have accepted that as well. That they didn't is their prerogative and the evidence certainly appeared weak in terms of securing even an indictment.
Anyone who made up their mind about this case before the Grand Jury evidence was released is an idiot.
Unless you have clear and compelling evidence that the crime scene was altered, in plain view of dozens of witnesses, and that Brown's corpse was in some way mutilated, then I have to stand by my opinion. |
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3DR
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