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Korea gearing up to be a liberal bankrupt paradise
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:42 am    Post subject: Korea gearing up to be a liberal bankrupt paradise Reply with quote

Funny thing today. A Korean lady was telling me about Mrs Jasmine Lee, a filipino who is in the Korean national assembly with the ruling party.

She is ready to get a law passed in Korea 'protects' illegal immigrants. Basically, she wants illegals to get a whole bunch of rights that citizens and legal aliens get. Furthermore, she wants the children of illegals to be afforded all the rights and privileges of Koreans. Free education, health care, sponsored childcare, etc. And when they turn 18, a Korean passport in hand. No army service because they are 'foreigners'.

You'd think Korea would look at western countries and realize that multiculturalism is a big failure of an experiment. Putting a sign on the peninsula saying 'free money here' is a huge mistake.

This is all the while the Kovernment has been slashing benefits for the people, raising taxes (25% in the last 5 years). This country needs more mouths to feed like it needs a hole in the head. Especially with the possibility of reunification looming.
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Cave Dweller



Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The funny and ironic thing is, while this lady is telling me about this, I am laughing because they are the same things that so many westerners have complained about but were called 'racists.' Because I don't want to pay for other people to live when I barely have enough for myself.
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drydell



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 4:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm somehow doubting your slanted version of this is the whole story. One thing is certain though - korea is a demographic aging population time bomb waiting to happen.. The government knows this and realizes that immigration is one of the most practical solutions. That's why even the rightwing parties have passed legislation giving more support for multi-national families..
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jvalmer



Joined: 06 Jun 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

drydell wrote:
I'm somehow doubting your slanted version of this is the whole story. One thing is certain though - korea is a demographic aging population time bomb waiting to happen.. The government knows this and realizes that immigration is one of the most practical solutions. That's why even the rightwing parties have passed legislation giving more support for multi-national families..

Is it really going to be bad? Or will it just be a period of sustained living. Despite Japan's last 20 years of virtually zero growth, it still isn't a bad place to live. And still has the 3rd largest economy in the world. Korea could be headed for the same. A country with living standards in the top 30, which isn't that bad. Nobody is starving on the streets, running water, basic shelter, and electricity. Not the best place to live, and not the worst. There are almost 6 billion people in the world willing to trade places with almost any Korean.
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Cave Dweller



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If you doubt my story, look up Jasmine Lee and the law(s) she is trying to pass.

I am not necessarily against immigration. Controlled immigration of the right people is the way to go. Not opening the flood gates to anyone who has enough for a one-way ticket here and looking for a handout. Or you end up like the EU.

jvalmer wrote:
drydell wrote:
I'm somehow doubting your slanted version of this is the whole story. One thing is certain though - korea is a demographic aging population time bomb waiting to happen.. The government knows this and realizes that immigration is one of the most practical solutions. That's why even the rightwing parties have passed legislation giving more support for multi-national families..

Is it really going to be bad? Or will it just be a period of sustained living. Despite Japan's last 20 years of virtually zero growth, it still isn't a bad place to live. And still has the 3rd largest economy in the world. Korea could be headed for the same. A country with living standards in the top 30, which isn't that bad. Nobody is starving on the streets, running water, basic shelter, and electricity. Not the best place to live, and not the worst. There are almost 6 billion people in the world willing to trade places with almost any Korean.
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Coltronator



Joined: 04 Dec 2013

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 5:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

She wants the children to have the same citizenship by location of birth instead of parental nationality.

Canada & U.S. plus others are already this way.
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Who's Your Daddy?



Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 8:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jasmine Lee is only one vote in the congress, not a dictator.

The bigger worry is the expansion of the welfare state for Koreans. The health care for elderly, free school lunches for non-poor children.

And these things are like the deck chairs on the Titanic vs. reunification.

Foreigners are just a media distraction.
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Newbie



Joined: 07 Feb 2003

PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 10:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Multiculturalism is a failed experiment?

When did that happen?

Granted, I only live in one of the most multicultural cities in the world (Toronto) and every day see Brits, French, Irish, Germans, Italians, Ukranians, Russians, Chinese, Japanese, Koreans, Indians, Sri Lankans, Pakistanis, Arabs, Persians, Africans, Christians, Muslims, Jews, Atheists, Straight and LGBT, all living together and getting along with almost no hate crime and relative peace, and prospering, so maybe I don't know what I'm talking about, but...

Sure, there are occasional problems and to the small-minded there seems to be some segregation, but that's always been there and always passes. 150 years ago when the Irish came in big numbers, they stuck to themselves and the established Europeans complained about them not adapting. But after a generation or two they eventually became Canadian. Then after WW2 when the Italians came in heavy numbers, the Irish-Canadians and established Europeans complained about their strange food, strange smells, only speaking Italians, "ghettos", and them not adapting. But after a generation or two they eventually became Canadian. Throughout that time, and near the end of the 20th century when Chinese numbers really picked up again, the Canadians complained about their strange food, smells, only speaking Chinese, "ghettos", and them not adapting. But we now have Chinese people as Canadian as the original Europeans, Irish and Italians, and Chinese kids now who are more Canadian than Chinese. (repeat same exercise with chosen ethnicity: Ukranian, Polish, Indian, Arabic, Jamaican, etc.)

And now the target is SE Asians and Muslims. The recent immigrants, sure, just like the Irish, Italians, Chinese et al before them, seem to be sticking to themselves and not adapting. But in a generation or two that will change. It always has, and will continue to do so. We can already see that with second and third generation SE Asian and Arab Canadians who are just about as Canadian as any French, British, Irish, Italian, Chinese Canadians who've been here for generations.
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metalhead



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 11:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You still have to pay for tertiary education in Canada though, Scandinavia and other parts of Europe has you beat.
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northway



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 28, 2015 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

metalhead wrote:
You still have to pay for tertiary education in Canada though, Scandinavia and other parts of Europe has you beat.


This kind of depends on which province you live in. Quebec's university system is incredibly cheap if you're from Quebec (or a Francophonie country). I know they planned to raise prices to something a little bit more expensive but still super affordable, but I think they went back on that and just raised prices dramatically on international tuition. Last I checked tuition had been frozen at $2,200/year since 1994 for in-province students.
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