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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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 Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 4:06 pm Post subject: South Koreans look down on us, say Chinese tourists |
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Many Chinese nationals claim to have had unpleasant experiences of discrimination when traveling to South Korea and some say they would not visit the country again, according to the China News Service, citing a survey reported in a business newspaper in South Korea.
"My trip to South Korea was my first and also the last time," one tourist said.
Some 25% of Chinese tourists said they had a worse impression of South Korea after visiting and 37% of respondents said they felt local people looked down on them during their trip, according to the poll reported by the AJU Business Daily.
Those who claimed they had experienced an attitude of discrimination in the manner of speech of some Koreans, as well as facial expressions and body language.
Only 10% of those polled felt they had been discriminated against when traveling to other countries.
A female tourist said that when chatting with her friend on the subway in Seoul, she was asked by a local passenger to move to another train. "I could see dislike in their eyes," she said, adding that she only felt welcome when she handed over money for clothes she had bought in Seoul's Dongdaemun Market.
http://www.wantchinatimes.com/news-subclass-cnt.aspx?id=20140204000026&cid=1103 |
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Cave Dweller
Joined: 17 Aug 2014
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Well no shock. Many Koreans I know have told me directly that they dislike Chinese. They have made many comments about Chinese people's manners, hygiene, morals, among other things.
The subway thing could be a different case than what is written. The tourists could have been commuting during early early morning rush hour, when almost no one on the subway is talking.
I can't blame them in a way. I would rather listen to giraffes fucking than Chinese language. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 8:29 pm Post subject: |
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I know a lot of people on this board find Koreans to be rude, impolite, etc. I really didn't experience that for whatever reason. Chinese on the other hand? Uggh. I freely admit it is the one nationality in the world that I'm a bigot towards, and really am not ashamed about it. So many are rude and a pain in the ass.
And it is strictly mainland chinese. Taiwanese are some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Singapore? Malaysian chinese? Hong Kong? Not bad at all. Not sure what the hell is going on in the PRC.
In other words, I don't doubt Chinese encountering that kind of treatment as tourists in Korea. I also completely understand why they do. |
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furtakk
Joined: 02 Jun 2009
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:13 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
I know a lot of people on this board find Koreans to be rude, impolite, etc. I really didn't experience that for whatever reason. Chinese on the other hand? Uggh. I freely admit it is the one nationality in the world that I'm a bigot towards, and really am not ashamed about it. So many are rude and a pain in the ass.
And it is strictly mainland chinese. Taiwanese are some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Singapore? Malaysian chinese? Hong Kong? Not bad at all. Not sure what the hell is going on in the PRC.
In other words, I don't doubt Chinese encountering that kind of treatment as tourists in Korea. I also completely understand why they do. |
I don't want to sound like a horrible person, but Jesus Christ, yes. My experience with PRC has been a few transfers in Shanghai/Beijing on the way in or out of Korea, and the few hours I've spent in Chinese airports makes me never, ever, ever want to visit the mainland. |
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happyinhenan
Joined: 01 Feb 2015
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:25 pm Post subject: |
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| furtakk wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
I know a lot of people on this board find Koreans to be rude, impolite, etc. I really didn't experience that for whatever reason. Chinese on the other hand? Uggh. I freely admit it is the one nationality in the world that I'm a bigot towards, and really am not ashamed about it. So many are rude and a pain in the ass.
And it is strictly mainland chinese. Taiwanese are some of the friendliest people I've ever met. Singapore? Malaysian chinese? Hong Kong? Not bad at all. Not sure what the hell is going on in the PRC.
In other words, I don't doubt Chinese encountering that kind of treatment as tourists in Korea. I also completely understand why they do. |
I don't want to sound like a horrible person, but Jesus Christ, yes. My experience with PRC has been a few transfers in Shanghai/Beijing on the way in or out of Korea, and the few hours I've spent in Chinese airports makes me never, ever, ever want to visit the mainland. |
You can't judge how nation's people act based on how they board an aeroplane, yes, the Chinese tend to be bloody awful but no worse than the Spanish, Italians, Greeks or the Russians.
A week in Sharm el Sheikh with a load of Russians would change your view on how badly tourists can act.
I am treated far better in China than I was in Korea, this is a generalisation of course and there are wankers everywhere but there are more wankers per percentage in Korea than there are in China, that is what I have found. Neither country has the monopoly on Anglophone politese and manners but nasty, racist, rude behaviour is more found in Korea - in my experience. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:34 pm Post subject: |
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| I am treated far better in China than I was in Korea, this is a generalisation of course and there are wankers everywhere but there are more wankers per percentage in Korea than there are in China, that is what I have found. Neither country has the monopoly on Anglophone politese and manners but nasty, racist, rude behaviour is more found in Korea - in my experience. |
The Chinese aren't infected with racism, although yes they can be hostile and pushy. Thats the difference. (impression from my visits to beijing and shanghai).
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| "I could see dislike in their eyes," she said, adding that she only felt welcome when she handed over money |
I don't think this impression is unique to chinese tourists. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Thu Feb 05, 2015 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't think Chinese tourists mean to be rude to anyone, but perhaps they could be made more aware of local etiquette before travelling. They are simply acting the way they are accustomed to back home, where shout talking is perfectly acceptable. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:17 am Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
I know a lot of people on this board find Koreans to be rude, impolite, etc. I really didn't experience that for whatever reason. Chinese on the other hand? Uggh. I freely admit it is the one nationality in the world that I'm a bigot towards, and really am not ashamed about it. So many are rude and a pain in the ass.
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I dislike China intensely, but have nothing in particular against Chinese. Many are even friendly. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:22 am Post subject: |
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Not sure what the hell is going on in the PRC.
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Maybe the nationalism and resentment that our friends in the People's Republic teach. After all they just declared it illegal to teach Western ideas in school. "Let a Thousand flowers bloom", Let about 10 million starve. Hoorah for the Great Helmsmen. |
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EastisEast
Joined: 29 May 2014
Location: Canada
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:03 am Post subject: |
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The Chinese aren't infected with racism, although yes they can be hostile and pushy. Thats the difference. (impression from my visits to beijing and shanghai).
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Yes they are. Try being Indian or African (or a tanned European for that matter)
They teach racism at schools. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 10:52 am Post subject: |
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| I understand (and even somewhat share) some of the impressions of mainland Han Chinese as stated in this thread, but can we at least acknowledge that this shouldn't result in discrimination towards Chinese tourists in general visiting South Korea? There's a difference between reacting to rudeness and reacting to Chinese. |
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happyinhenan
Joined: 01 Feb 2015
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 3:26 pm Post subject: |
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The Chinese aren't infected with racism, although yes they can be hostile and pushy. Thats the difference. (impression from my visits to beijing and shanghai).
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Yes they are. Try being Indian or African (or a tanned European for that matter)
They teach racism at schools. |
I am a tanned European, I get treated no better or worse than a pale European.
We had a black Hispanic teacher here who has just left for the states because his contract ended. He was a bit of a hero around these parts and another black person I knew - an African-American gentleman had some of the most beautiful girlfriends of anyone I know here. And I live in the poorest, most nationalistic part of the country.
I am not saying racism doesn't exist, because it does of course, like it does in our countries (I would like to know the stats for people being murdered for their colour in the UK/USA versus China) but the crappy levels of xenophobia, nationalism and sensitivity about their beliefs and achivements that are apparent in Korea are not in China - and the aggressive stereotyping of foreigners by the Chinese media is also largely absent - apart from the Japanese of course.  |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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| but the crappy levels of xenophobia, nationalism and sensitivity about their beliefs and achivements that are apparent in Korea are not in China - and the aggressive stereotyping of foreigners by the Chinese media is also largely absent - apart from the Japanese of course. |
Uighurs anyone? China flooding Tibet and Xinjiang with Han Chinese ala the Manifest Destiny? I don't know if China is more or less racist, but come on.
That's because Japan is the new bugaboo and China has a state-run press system. The party dictates national policy towards foreigners. Right now the party is focused on Japan. If "The West" suddenly became China's public enemy #1, they would make Korea's xenophobia look mild in comparison.
Anyways, I think that our perceptions of xenophobia are skewed. Seriously, sometimes I've heard people claim "racism" simply because Koreans didn't worship them and think they were the greatest thing since sliced bread or put up with them acting up. Also, the perception of how xenophobic and racist our countries are back home varies wildly depending on what ethnic group you belong to. I mean, you take what people right on the board here and it pretty much squares up with grievance claims back home and the perception of how widespread the "hate" is and how much it is in the news and media. |
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happyinhenan
Joined: 01 Feb 2015
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Uighurs anyone? China flooding Tibet and Xinjiang with Han Chinese ala the Manifest Destiny? I don't know if China is more or less racist, but come on. |
The manifest destiny - have a look at your country's, that is where the Chinese probably got their ideas from - as for the flooding of Han Chinese to other parts of the country, it is the same as the United States and what they did out west and to Alaska and Hawaii. Is it wrong? I suppose it is, is it racism? I am going to say no, are the Uighurs treated any worse than anyone else - I am going to say no. I live here, you don't, before you start debating. They have businesses and seem to be doing quite well, have the same rights as Han Chinese - I have never seen any of them attacked or treated with disrespect the times I have been in their restaraunts (nearly every day) and have taught Muslim students who are accepted by their classmates and have friends among them.
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| That's because Japan is the new bugaboo and China has a state-run press system. The party dictates national policy towards foreigners. Right now the party is focused on Japan. If "The West" suddenly became China's public enemy #1, they would make Korea's xenophobia look mild in comparison. |
True, but my original point remains, black, tanned white people and Indians aren't particularly treated with any hostility whatsoever and I disagree on your point about those minorities being treated any worse than they would be in Korea if those sanctions were in place. I work alongside five Japanese teachers at my place of work - it isn't a secret that they are from Japan and that they work here and none of them have been beaten or killed though there is still time before I leave in July I suppose.
Black and Indian people are treated abysmally in Korea. Chinese xenophobia, racism and hostility is nothing compared to South Korea - I have no truck with defending China, I am just calling it as I see it as I have lived in both countries.
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| Anyways, I think that our perceptions of xenophobia are skewed. Seriously, sometimes I've heard people claim "racism" simply because Koreans didn't worship them and think they were the greatest thing since sliced bread or put up with them acting up. Also, the perception of how xenophobic and racist our countries are back home varies wildly depending on what ethnic group you belong to. I mean, you take what people right on the board here and it pretty much squares up with grievance claims back home and the perception of how widespread the "hate" is and how much it is in the news and media. |
I sort of agree with that - it is the first time some people on here have been subjected to bigotry based on their appearance, doesn't mean it isn't because it is trivial.
If the point is that racism is worse in China than in Korea, you are absolutely wrong, I have worked alongside a handful of black teachers here and they were treated like everyone else.
I have also worked alongside black teachers in Korea and guess what...
I'll use my mate here to explain their experiences -
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Fri Feb 06, 2015 6:26 pm Post subject: |
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The manifest destiny - have a look at your country's, that is where the Chinese probably got their ideas from -
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So all the Chinese have to do to justify their 9 dash line policy and other acts of international aggression is point to Manifest Destiny from the early and middle 1800s? There doesn't need to be any discussion of the predatory nature of China, taking and seizing without offering anything in return? |
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