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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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 Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 8:30 pm Post subject: University jobs race to the bottom |
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Is an MA even worth getting anymore?
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Job No. 1:
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Qualification: Ph.D. degree holders with at least 1 year teaching experience or MA degree holders with over 3 years of university experience
Salary: 2,200,000- 2,400,000 won, depending on relevant teaching experience
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=63825 |
2.4? for a PhD? I already earn more than that at a hogwon with only a BA.
Job No.2:
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Qualifications
Only those with the following qualification will be considered.
1. PhD degree
2. Master's degree + two years of full time college-level teaching experience
3. Bachelor's degree + four years of full time college-level teaching experience
(Part-time teaching and lifelong education classes will not be considered)
Salary and Benefits
1.2,100,000 KRW per month
(pay increase of 100,000 Korean won starting each on the second year and the fourth year of employment )
http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=63726 |
Ouch. So even if I spend a fortune getting an MA and manage to get renewed three years in a row (as if) then I'll still be getting less than I get now at a kids hogwon.
Job. No. 3:
So..thats 1.7 per month.
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 9:44 pm Post subject: |
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Check out this one for Suwon Science College:
Qualifications : Master's degree holders in any field and F visa holders who have more than two years teaching experience in college level.
Must have an MA and an F visa and two years teaching experience at the college level in order to be considered?
How much is the compensation?
The Salary : 2.5 million won per month (The yearly salary is 30 million won)
Housing and Food : NOT provided(No Key money)
Vacation : 4 weeks during each semester.
No housing, no severance, short vacation time and 2.5 a month? Things are definitely on the decline for sure. |
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PRagic
Joined: 24 Feb 2006
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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I'll cut and paste my comment from another thread:
I say this in all seriousness: if I were out of university with a couple of years of ESL teaching under my belt and looking for some serious upside potential, whether in Korea or elsewhere, I'd haul arse back to some place offering a certification program in teaching 3D printing.
The K government is in the process of chucking millions and millions of dollars into 3D education in schools and universities are already developing programs. If history is any lesson, this means that hagwons will be popping up like daisies in springtime as well.
Get in now and keep current. You heard it here first. |
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Paddycakes
Joined: 05 May 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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On the one hand, I feel really sorry for people who have invested huge amounts of time and money to earn a PhD or Masters only to see jobs that pay less that what a bus driver can expect to make.
But then I think: You were an idiot for doing a PhD or Masters in field that has little to no economic value, often from universities that no one has ever heard of.
You made your own bed. |
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happyinhenan
Joined: 01 Feb 2015
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Investing in a masters or a PhD to work solely in Korea is probably a bit of a daft idea, thankfully, they are accepted everywhere - a bit like an American Express card.
What is silly is keeping basic, unrelated qualifications and then when the Koreans start kicking your arses out, you have nowhere else to go. |
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Died By Bear
Joined: 13 Jul 2010
Location: On the big lake they call Gitche Gumee
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| Posted: Tue Feb 17, 2015 11:44 pm Post subject: |
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| PRagic wrote: |
I'll cut and paste my comment from another thread:
I say this in all seriousness: if I were out of university with a couple of years of ESL teaching under my belt and looking for some serious upside potential, whether in Korea or elsewhere, I'd haul arse back to some place offering a certification program in teaching 3D printing.
The K government is in the process of chucking millions and millions of dollars into 3D education in schools and universities are already developing programs. If history is any lesson, this means that hagwons will be popping up like daisies in springtime as well.
Get in now and keep current. You heard it here first. |
This.
http://3dprintingindustry.com/2015/02/07/3d-printing-teaches-korean-educators-koreaedu-expo/
This past January 15th – 17th, the 12th Education Korea Expo was held in the giant COEX exhibition center in Seoul. This year’s theme was ‘A Guide to New Education’ and was supported by the Ministry of Education and the Korea Institute of Sustainable Design & Educational Environment. The whole show was comprised of education exhibitions, forums, seminars, and experience programs with around 200 companies operating some 600 booths. For three days, the show attracted more than 35,000 teachers, principals, professors, education experts, buyers, sellers, department officials, parents, and students. As you might expect, there were high-school clubs promoting their activities, food service systems for cafeteria managers to look at, and furniture designed to help students learn more comfortably.
http://3dprintingindustry.com/author/park/
The future:
http://3dprintingindustry.com/2014/10/09/3d-printing-grass-roots-s-korea/ |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 1:00 am Post subject: |
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Lets see what the Chinese unis are offering.
Converted to won thats:
1.5 for a BA
1.7 for an MA
1.9 for a PhD |
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World Traveler
Joined: 29 May 2009
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Ouch. That's terrible. Where's the best place for qualified applicants to go now? The Middle East? Even there I heard things are deteriorating/getting worse in the TEFL field.
IF you can get in, I'd say a Japanese uni is the best deal. (Cool country to live in, too.) But I heard the uni jobs there are super competitive. (I'm not sure to what extent.) Anyone have more info on that? (I've seen some offers for decent pay there.) |
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earthquakez
Joined: 10 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Wed Feb 18, 2015 3:49 am Post subject: |
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Ouch. That's terrible. Where's the best place for qualified applicants to go now? The Middle East? Even there I heard things are deteriorating/getting worse in the TEFL field.
IF you can get in, I'd say a Japanese uni is the best deal. (Cool country to live in, too.) But I heard the uni jobs there are super competitive. (I'm not sure to what extent.) Anyone have more info on that? (I've seen some offers for decent pay there.) |
The Japanese universities tend to be fairer than Korean universities in their recruiting. For tenured positions (mostly called professor) the lowest qualification is an MA and there is an emphasis on teaching experience at university level and publications. Those MAs must be in a relevant field - there is no such thing as a tenured position accepting an online MA or one that is not directly related to the position.
However, while they are more open minded on an MA with those accompanying criteria, tenured positions of course are looking either for a Phd or somebody about to commence one. As well as teaching experience at university level and publications, participation in professional groups etc.
The baseline salary is usually around 4.5 million per month in Korean won prices and upwards and includes a research budget, travel paid for, rental payment or subsidy, free flight to Japan, bonuses, etc.
For non tenured positions (associate professor for example), the Phd and MA are desirable but people with a BA plus certification and/or another degree that can be considered 'equivalent qualifications' coupled with significant teaching experience at college/university level can be in contention.
Sometimes you can parlay your English teaching experience into a non tenured academic job such as teaching English literature or something like Communication Studies. Again, this depends on how open the selection panel is to people who have a lot of good experience at college/university teaching or working at educational/research jobs.
The baseline salary will usually be around 3 million won Korean upwards per month and you will usually get your airfare paid to Japan if you live outside the country, and perks such as housing subsidy, research budget, bonus.
Generally Japanese universities are more inclined to hire somebody with interesting cvs and the emphasis on qualifications is more logical and fairer than in Korea. However, there is still the same problem of those who squeaked into universities as native English speakers with few qualifications some years ago.
As with their equivalents in Korea they sometimes apply the strictest criteria on paper instead of being open to the fact that there are applicants with much greater practical experience of teaching at college/university level than they themselves had.
I've heard from many native English speakers in Japan that Japanese staff who speak English are much better to have as screeners of applicants and interviewers. T | | |
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