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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:11 pm    Post subject: Quitting Uni Mid-Semester Reply with quote

A friend of mine who works at a mainland uni has been told that next semester his work hours will be increased, his pay frozen and housing assistance cut off. He is not very happy about this kind of treatment and is thinking about quitting mid-semester. He asked me about the ramifications of this. He has an F visa.

Any thoughts?
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tanklor1



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

His contract should spell out exactly what happens.
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creeper1



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 5:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mainland? The university isn't on dokdo?
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Guajiro



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:32 pm    Post subject: Re: Quitting Uni Mid-Semester Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
A friend of mine who works at a mainland uni has been told that next semester his work hours will be increased, his pay frozen and housing assistance cut off. He is not very happy about this kind of treatment and is thinking about quitting mid-semester. He asked me about the ramifications of this. He has an F visa.

Any thoughts?


An F visa in mainland China (you're talking about China, right?) isn't actually intended for earning income in China, as far as I know, but rather a business visa for those sent to China by their overseas companies and paid by a home country employer. Or for exchanges. Or something to that effect.

I don't know if his mainland employer can necessarily blacklist him with local immigration for breaking a contract if he's working on an F visa, but he should probably research the possibility of that. Schools in China often put hefty breach penalties in their contracts, though enforcing them may be difficult.

I don't really know... shouldn't this be in the China forum?
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World Traveler



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers lives on Jeju Island. He's talking about mainland South Korea.
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Guajiro



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

World Traveler wrote:
Stan Rogers lives on Jeju Island. He's talking about mainland South Korea.


Thanks for clarifying Smile

Then I like Tanklor1's reply!
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The Cosmic Hum



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:12 am    Post subject: Re: Quitting Uni Mid-Semester Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
A friend of mine who works at a mainland uni has been told that next semester his work hours will be increased, his pay frozen and housing assistance cut off. He is not very happy about this kind of treatment and is thinking about quitting mid-semester. He asked me about the ramifications of this. He has an F visa.

Any thoughts?

Why would he quit mid semester?
Is 'next semester' a new contract semester...as in...this semester ends his contract and these proposals are for his next contract?

You need to add a few details to your 'friends' story.
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 5:24 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spoke to my friend and he tells me that there are two contract signing periods. Some teachers sign in the spring and some in the fall. He is under the old contract. The new contracts that the spring teachers signed has all the changes. His contract changes will come in the fall if an when he signs.

Anyway my friend's school gave out the schedules to the teachers last winter and they assumed they were under the same old contract hours with some overtime. The school simply asked them if they wanted to sign a new contract and all of them said yes. The school waited until after the semester started and then asked them to sign the new contract. The spring semester contracts all had their hours increased, housing stipends cut off and no raise. The extra hours were not overtime. Needless to say the teachers are pissed. Some of them are talking about quitting mid semester. My friend was saying the same thing. The whole situation sounds pretty chaotic.

I am still trying to understand why his school deviously neglected to tell the teachers about the changes and waited until the semester started before showing them the contract. I didn't know what to say to my friend because I've never heard of this happening at a uni before.
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ttompatz



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 2:33 pm    Post subject: Re: Quitting Uni Mid-Semester Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
A friend of mine who works at a mainland uni has been told that next semester his work hours will be increased, his pay frozen and housing assistance cut off. He is not very happy about this kind of treatment and is thinking about quitting mid-semester. He asked me about the ramifications of this. He has an F visa.

Any thoughts?


F 2/4/5/6 then he is free to leave at any time without repercussion (beyond a bad reference).

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drcrazy



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Stan Rogers wrote:
I spoke to my friend and he tells me that there are two contract signing periods. Some teachers sign in the spring and some in the fall. He is under the old contract. The new contracts that the spring teachers signed has all the changes. His contract changes will come in the fall if an when he signs.
Anyway my friend's school gave out the schedules to the teachers last winter and they assumed they were under the same old contract hours with some overtime. The school simply asked them if they wanted to sign a new contract and all of them said yes. The school waited until after the semester started and then asked them to sign the new contract. The spring semester contracts all had their hours increased, housing stipends cut off and no raise. The extra hours were not overtime. Needless to say the teachers are pissed. Some of them are talking about quitting mid semester. My friend was saying the same thing. The whole situation sounds pretty chaotic.

I am still trying to understand why his school deviously neglected to tell the teachers about the changes and waited until the semester started before showing them the contract. I didn't know what to say to my friend because I've never heard of this happening at a uni before.



And I thought I was crazy. Just do not resign if you do not like what a FUTURE CONTRACT says. Why quit in the middle of a last semester of a contract IF YOU LIKE THE WAY IT IS NOW. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face. Shocked And does he hate his current students to put them is a situation like this? And his current coworkers who might need to cover his classes for the rest of the semester?
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Stan Rogers



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's what I was thinking. It's not very respectful toward his students and co-workers. That said many of the teachers feel lied to and I understand their anger. You must remember that these people don't have the right to strike and their objections have fallen upon deaf ears. Could it be that a worker at the school just simply forgot to mention it? My friend sees it as "If the school wants to make things difficult for us why can't we return the courtesy?" Labor relations there are obviously breaking down.

If someone does jump ship there I don't think anyone is going to want to teach the runner's or runners' classes. It must be a very tense environment right now.
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Malislamusrex



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 12:15 am    Post subject: Re: Quitting Uni Mid-Semester Reply with quote

I would just walk up to him and.... uppercut. He doesn't deserve words.

Stan Rogers wrote:
A friend of mine who works at a mainland uni has been told that next semester his work hours will be increased, his pay frozen and housing assistance cut off. He is not very happy about this kind of treatment and is thinking about quitting mid-semester. He asked me about the ramifications of this. He has an F visa.

Any thoughts?
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PRagic



Joined: 24 Feb 2006

PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 12:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Seems pretty straight forward: finish the current contract then don't sign up again under the deteriorated conditions. The more teachers that don't resign, the stronger the message. It's sill an employer's market, though, so all signs point to them shrugging it off and recruiting newbs. The more newbs they have to recruit, though, the bigger the pain in the butt it will be for them regardless.

I imagine jlb is going to get some well deserved flack here. She's not above coming on Dave's for a shameless plug, and virtually all the info in her book can be gleaned from this site to begin with, but then she flames away? Don't know where that came from.
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