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Yaya
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| I think also that certain expats in the limelight get hate because they do erroneous things. Case in point is that guy Isaac, who once was involved in English education materials that used Korean characters to learn English. The ESL community in Korea flamed him for that, and rightfully so. |
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happyinhenan
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 3:18 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| I think also that certain expats in the limelight get hate because they do erroneous things. Case in point is that guy Isaac, who once was involved in English education materials that used Korean characters to learn English. The ESL community in Korea flamed him for that, and rightfully so. |
Why? |
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Newbie
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 5:57 am Post subject: |
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| happyinhenan wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| I think also that certain expats in the limelight get hate because they do erroneous things. Case in point is that guy Isaac, who once was involved in English education materials that used Korean characters to learn English. The ESL community in Korea flamed him for that, and rightfully so. |
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Because then you have Koreans learning English who think letters/sounds like "V" "F" "R" "WO" "Z" have Korean equivalents and so they never really learn how to pronounce them properly. "F" will always be "Ep-uh", "Z" will be "Ji", "Wo" will be "oo", "V" will be "buh-wee" etc. |
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Bongotruck
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 7:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Not to mention 'th' sounds. Neither of them can be pronounced properly with 한글. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Fri Apr 17, 2015 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| I think also that certain expats in the limelight get hate because they do erroneous things. Case in point is that guy Isaac, who once was involved in English education materials that used Korean characters to learn English. The ESL community in Korea flamed him for that, and rightfully so. |
Great insight here. The above posters making valid points on pronunciation.
It is one thing to suggest that someone has 'talent' while the ignorant masses just suck it up and try to enjoy what they can.
But this situation is unique when that 'talent' gets exposed for what it is when butting its head up the ass of education. |
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hubbahubba
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:47 am Post subject: |
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| the real test on all this discussion will be if "Korea" and i say that knowing there are exceptions, finds the new "slim and trim" Sam Hemington just as entertaining. If not---uhhh yeah. Monkeys--dancing |
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Stan Rogers
Joined: 20 Aug 2010
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:07 am Post subject: |
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| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| I think also that certain expats in the limelight get hate because they do erroneous things. Case in point is that guy Isaac, who once was involved in English education materials that used Korean characters to learn English. The ESL community in Korea flamed him for that, and rightfully so. |
Great insight here. The above posters making valid points on pronunciation.
It is one thing to suggest that someone has 'talent' while the ignorant masses just suck it up and try to enjoy what they can.
But this situation is unique when that 'talent' gets exposed for what it is when butting its head up the ass of education. |
Isaac's name and face were on lots of English books and learning materials over the years. None of the ideas were his. None of it was written by him. He's an actor, not a writer. He's just the package that sells.
Actors do what they are paid to do and say what they are paid to say. Being right or an effective educator has nothing to do with it.
The content creator is the person who should be called out. |
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Joe Boxer
Joined: 25 Dec 2007
Location: Bundang, South Korea
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| I think also that certain expats in the limelight get hate because they do erroneous things. Case in point is that guy Isaac, who once was involved in English education materials that used Korean characters to learn English. The ESL community in Korea flamed him for that, and rightfully so. |
Great insight here. The above posters making valid points on pronunciation.
It is one thing to suggest that someone has 'talent' while the ignorant masses just suck it up and try to enjoy what they can.
But this situation is unique when that 'talent' gets exposed for what it is when butting its head up the ass of education. |
Isaac's name and face were on lots of English books and learning materials over the years. None of the ideas were his. None of it was written by him. He's an actor, not a writer. He's just the package that sells.
Actors do what they are paid to do and say what they are paid to say. Being right or an effective educator has nothing to do with it.
The content creator is the person who should be called out. |
The actor is often in a position to know what the end result may look like. For example, some Black actors refuse to do stereotypical "gangsta" roles (of course, the actors refusing those roles are usually in the financial position to do so, and they probably got their start doing those roles).
Daniel Henney was in a series of commercials for the Kia "Gentra" car, in which he'd act like a gentleman. The commercials would end with his spoken line, "Are you gentle?", with him knowing full-well that "gentle" is Konglish for "polite/gentlemanly". He didn't care. He just said the stupid line and took his money.
There was a commercial for a strawberry drink, and it had a Brad Pitt look-a-like drinking from the bottle. He suddenly takes off his sunglasses and says, "I'm not real!" Wtf. The native-speaking English actor knows that it's improper English, but the director told him to say it, so he did.
There was a commercial for "Rush & Cash" in which a full-figured Black lady, dressed as a lounge singer, used her beautiful pipes to belt out, "Rushie and Caa-sheeeeeeee!", as directed, in the true Korean mispronunciation of the final "sh" sound.
All of the above actors knew what they were doing. |
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Yaya
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| I think also that certain expats in the limelight get hate because they do erroneous things. Case in point is that guy Isaac, who once was involved in English education materials that used Korean characters to learn English. The ESL community in Korea flamed him for that, and rightfully so. |
Great insight here. The above posters making valid points on pronunciation.
It is one thing to suggest that someone has 'talent' while the ignorant masses just suck it up and try to enjoy what they can.
But this situation is unique when that 'talent' gets exposed for what it is when butting its head up the ass of education. |
Isaac's name and face were on lots of English books and learning materials over the years. None of the ideas were his. None of it was written by him. He's an actor, not a writer. He's just the package that sells.
Actors do what they are paid to do and say what they are paid to say. Being right or an effective educator has nothing to do with it.
The content creator is the person who should be called out. |
Yes, but the item in question was using a very maligned way of teaching English yet he did it anyway. I'm thinking he knew it was wrong but took the money. Shame on him. |
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Adventurer
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| Posted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| I think also that certain expats in the limelight get hate because they do erroneous things. Case in point is that guy Isaac, who once was involved in English education materials that used Korean characters to learn English. The ESL community in Korea flamed him for that, and rightfully so. |
What did Isaac do exactly? I'm not sure I understood correctly. He was having people use Hangeul to learn English? That's ridiculous. I have seen such things done when people were trying to learn Arabic, but the Latin alphabet is not so complicated. |
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The Cosmic Hum
Joined: 09 May 2003
Location: Sonic Space
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| Yaya wrote: |
| Stan Rogers wrote: |
| The Cosmic Hum wrote: |
| Yaya wrote: |
| I think also that certain expats in the limelight get hate because they do erroneous things. Case in point is that guy Isaac, who once was involved in English education materials that used Korean characters to learn English. The ESL community in Korea flamed him for that, and rightfully so. |
Great insight here. The above posters making valid points on pronunciation.
It is one thing to suggest that someone has 'talent' while the ignorant masses just suck it up and try to enjoy what they can.
But this situation is unique when that 'talent' gets exposed for what it is when butting its head up the ass of education. |
Isaac's name and face were on lots of English books and learning materials over the years. None of the ideas were his. None of it was written by him. He's an actor, not a writer. He's just the package that sells.
Actors do what they are paid to do and say what they are paid to say. Being right or an effective educator has nothing to do with it.
The content creator is the person who should be called out. |
Yes, but the item in question was using a very maligned way of teaching English yet he did it anyway. I'm thinking he knew it was wrong but took the money. Shame on him. |
Yeah, you're making good sense Yaya, and it seems an obvious enough point. Unfortunately, some posters seem to think that professional prostitution is somehow less so when it involves teaching English or done in Korea. |
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Stan Rogers
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:17 am Post subject: |
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Where in the book of acting does it say an actor portraying a teacher must educate?
I can tell you that the book of acting clearly states "follow the script."
You NETs thought he was a teacher just like the rest of the viewing public. It is what it is. |
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wooden nickels
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:19 am Post subject: |
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| Stan Rogers wrote: |
Where in the book of acting does it say an actor portraying a teacher must educate?
I can tell you that the book of acting clearly states "follow the script."
You NETs thought he was a teacher just like the rest of the viewing public. It is what it is. |
I like the way you put it. It makes me think of someone sitting on the edge of their seat and yelling at the character on the screen when watching a movie. "Why doesn't she look in the closet, there is a monster in there?"
It's entertainment. |
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The Cosmic Hum
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| Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:43 am Post subject: |
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| You NETs thought he was a teacher just like the rest of the viewing public. It is what it is. |
Really?
You think some NETs thought the rest of the viewing public were teachers just like him? |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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They clown around saying what Koreans want to hear foreigners say , reinforcing a sorts of dumb stereotypes that Koreans have of foreigners all for a token amount of money . What sort of opinion ought I have of them?
All in all they make things ever so slightly worse for everyone else. |
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