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bucheon bum
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https://firstlook.org/theintercept/2015/05/05/dea-still-cant-tell-senate-left-innocent-student-survive/
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During an obscure Senate hearing on Tuesday morning, lawmakers vented their frustrations with the Drug Enforcement Agency for failing to answer questions about an incident that saw a man almost die of dehydration while in its custody.
“At what point do I have to conclude that the [Drug Enforcement Agency] is hiding something about what happened here?” asked Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, unsuccessfully prodding a DEA witness to explain why Senate inquiries into what happened to Daniel Chong have been met with silence. |
Personally, I blame the population which keeps electing Dem politicians. |
Congress is finally chastizing the DEA about this?? Wow, way to be on top of things Congress!! Just took them 3 years (and one year after DOJ's own report)...
I've worked on the admin side of federal law enforcement now for 5.5 years. Nearly all agencies have a certain rep. You get an idea of which ones are good to work in, and which are bad. DEA? It's a big hole of mystery. Well, until I read about the DEA Administrator's resignation last week. Sounds like another place to avoid... Hopefully her replacement will be an improvement. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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A system can be racist without any racism from the people who operate within it
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Many white people hear “racism” and immediately think it’s a personal accusation. But a system can be racist without any racism from the people who operate within it. Look again at St. Louis County. Antonio Morgan’s business is located in the town of Pine Lawn. It’s one of the most egregious offenders in the county. But Pine Lawn is 96 percent black. Most of its city officials are and have been black. In fact, Anthony Gray, the attorney for Michael Brown’s family, is the town’s former police chief and current prosecutor.
But Antonio Morgan is still a victim of racism. The reason black people in St. Louis County are unfairly and disproportionately targeted by police for minor offenses is due to the very structure of the county’s political and court system.
When white people fled St. Louis in the early-to-mid-20th century, they took advantage of Missouri’s lenient incorporation laws to set up new towns to keep blacks away. As blacks began to move west, white people would move a little farther out, incorporate again, and set up new zoning laws to restrict black residency. The result is a county filled with dozens of tiny towns, nearly all of which have their own government and police force. The primary source of revenue for the local towns is sales tax. But the poorer (which means blacker) towns don’t generate enough income from sales taxes. So they turn to municipal fines to keep themselves from going under. The poorer the town and its residents, the more likely the town relies on fines for a greater percentage of its annual revenue. Which means that the blacker the town, the more likely its residents are getting treated like ATMs for the local government.
The cops in these towns don’t deal with felony crimes. The county police investigate those. A local officer’s job is to administer fines. Most cops are drawn from whiter, wealthier areas, in part because so many people in the poorer areas have arrest records. That means you have cops patrolling areas they aren’t from who are charged with extracting fines from people with whom they have little in common, and for petty offenses.
We saw few examples of overt racism from city officials in the months after the Ferguson protests. But a system like this, one created by racism, will produce racist results even if none of the cops, prosecutors, or judges are racist themselves. |
Once someone has an arrest record, it becomes nearly impossible to get a good job. As for entreprenuers, go into the link to witness Antonio Morgan's experiences with the police.
Sure, there are some good apples, but the barrel is dirty and rotten. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 06, 2015 10:48 pm Post subject: |
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| My company has a 24 year-old black sales representative doing perfectly legal door to door sales in a New York suburb. A few days ago, someone called the cops because he knocked on their door, and the police came to check in. I've been in the same situation, and the officer just took my information and let me go on my way after getting information as to what I was doing and who I work for (this was before we staffed up - I didn't even have a card). They wouldn't hear our representative out at all, cuffed him, and took him into the precinct (without any charge). All this while wearing a button up and slacks. Clearly a cultural problem there. |
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Thu May 07, 2015 6:40 am Post subject: |
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| Black people in America today are much more likely to experience racial preferences than racial slights. The violent crime that is driving the black incarceration rate spiked after the civil-rights victories of the 1960s, not before. And if voter-ID laws threaten the black franchise, no one seems to have told the black electorate. According to the Census Bureau, the black voter-turnout rate in 2012 exceeded the white turnout rate, even in states with the strictest voter-ID requirements. |
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| The socioeconomic problems that blacks face today have nothing to do with civil-rights barriers and nearly everything to do with a black subculture that rejects certain attitudes and behaviors that are conducive to upward mobility. Yet Mr. Obama has a political interest—and the civil-rights industry has a vested interest—in pretending that the opposite is true. |
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| Black poverty fell 40 percentage points between 1940 and 1960—a drop that no Great Society antipoverty program has ever come close to matching. Blacks were also increasing their years of schooling and entering the white-collar workforce at a faster rate prior to the affirmative-action schemes of the 1970s than they were after those programs were put in place to help them. |
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| The racial disparity that persists today is not evidence that too many blacks face the same challenges they did in 1965, that “the march is not yet finished,” as Mr. Obama asserted. Rather, it is evidence that too few blacks—as Selma’s mayor told NPR—have taken advantage of the opportunities now available to them. |
http://www.wsj.com/articles/jason-l-riley-drawing-the-wrong-lessons-from-selma-about-america-today-1426028297
History does not provide much evidence of a link between oppression and the socioeconomic problems that plague many black communities. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 5:42 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| My company has a 24 year-old black sales representative doing perfectly legal door to door sales in a New York suburb. A few days ago, someone called the cops because he knocked on their door, and the police came to check in. I've been in the same situation, and the officer just took my information and let me go on my way after getting information as to what I was doing and who I work for (this was before we staffed up - I didn't even have a card). They wouldn't hear our representative out at all, cuffed him, and took him into the precinct (without any charge). All this while wearing a button up and slacks. Clearly a cultural problem there. |
I think what many of us either don't know or some of us just choose to ignore is that cops treat people differently. Class, race, gender, etc. They are human and no amount of training can stop you from being human and having human frailties.
Not saying this to excuse cops but to actually explain why there are some who grew up in Podunk, Iowa with the local cops being part of the community and friendly to those who live in west Baltimore.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3071957/It-s-not-illegal-black-Cops-complain-online-white-people-getting-freaked-black-neighbors-wasting-police-time-911-calls.html
https://www.facebook.com/?q=#!/FloridaCopWatch/videos/974536469230777/ |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 6:11 pm Post subject: |
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[quote="Kepler"]
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History does not provide much evidence of a link between oppression and the socioeconomic problems that plague many black communities. |
I raised this point before but no one challenged it. I recall this stuff from a class actually. During Johnson's 'War on Poverty', the Moynihan report looked at poverty and specificaly black poverty as well and concluded that to reduce black poverty, the male needs to be employed. Head of the family, keeping the family unit in tact, etc. To help in this the government could have pressured unions to let more blacks in, as well as providing incentives to hire more blacks etc. (Affirmative Action is a lie that it was for Blacks. White women are by far the biggest beneficiaries of AA, its proven http://www.racismreview.com/blog/2014/03/11/white-women-affirmative-action/ and http://www.theroot.com/articles/culture/2009/08/who_wins_out_when_it_comes_to_affirmative_action.html). Late '60s over 100 cities mostly in the north had riots. Very bad riots that made Baltimore look like a Sunday social. Another commission, called the Kerner Commission took an honest look and concluded the same thing. No jobs. The men wanted jobs, unions weren't allowing them in, companies simply refused to hire blacks in numbers, even qualified and had token blacks. Even the FBI was like that. Hoover deputiezed his black butler and chauffer to comply. So, instead of looking for ways to improve employment the government did the complete opposite. It expanded social welfare. It gave black women a free apartment and money and one of the provisions was that no males over the age of 18 could live there. So, the choice was her husband or the government is now daddy. Well, she went with the one who has the money. This created a permanent, generational dependence and with that a culture of less than ideal mindset. Social scientists and the government knew exactly what would happen. So, now we see it worked perfectly and some on here as well as others now blame the 'Victims' of this program when it worked perfectly.
In the '70s the only jobs black college grads could get as well as vocational schools were city, county, state or federal jobs. No one with a degree wanted these jobs. They wanted Ford, IBM, etc. So, the government hired them. 20 to 30 years later, when these same blacks are retiring with full pensions and the big companies are laying off people, all of a sudden these jobs are attractive. so, varoius public agencies changed the job requrements to keep out minorities.
lso, its a fact that companies do not grant interviews nearly as much to any resume that is deemed from a black person. Multiple studies show that a black sounding name vs. a European sounding name the latter gets called in for an interview far more, everything else being equal. So, even if a black guy or woman does what society says, study hard go to college, they are the last hired.
http://www.chicagobooth.edu/capideas/spring03/racialbias.html
and http://www.nber.org/digest/sep03/w9873.html
Black college grads stil have the highest unemployment rate amongst college grads and a white non college grad statistically does better. One has to assume a black college grad is actively looking for a job and isn't lazy and is willing to start in an entry level position just like everyone else.
http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2014/5/22/black-grads-doubleunemployment.html |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 13, 2015 6:39 pm Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| My company has a 24 year-old black sales representative doing perfectly legal door to door sales in a New York suburb. A few days ago, someone called the cops because he knocked on their door, and the police came to check in. I've been in the same situation, and the officer just took my information and let me go on my way after getting information as to what I was doing and who I work for (this was before we staffed up - I didn't even have a card). They wouldn't hear our representative out at all, cuffed him, and took him into the precinct (without any charge). All this while wearing a button up and slacks. Clearly a cultural problem there. |
I think what many of us either don't know or some of us just choose to ignore is that cops treat people differently. Class, race, gender, etc. They are human and no amount of training can stop you from being human and having human frailties.
Not saying this to excuse cops but to actually explain why there are some who grew up in Podunk, Iowa with the local cops being part of the community and friendly to those who live in west Baltimore.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3071957/It-s-not-illegal-black-Cops-complain-online-white-people-getting-freaked-black-neighbors-wasting-police-time-911-calls.html
https://www.facebook.com/?q=#!/FloridaCopWatch/videos/974536469230777/ |
The worst part was that this kid was from the town in question. He's since quit, mostly because he didn't want to end up in jail for simply trying to make some money to help out his family. Back to long-term unemployment. But again: a cultural problem, clearly. |
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Brooks
Joined: 08 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Sat May 16, 2015 1:39 am Post subject: |
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What America needs is more black male teachers.
Young black males need to learn that study is important.
Too many don't know that.
How much did Malcolm X read in prison? A lot. The man studied.
The problem is that education is valued more than ever.
A BA is not enough, these days people need a MA or MS, at least.
Years ago I was in Maryland through Americorps, working at a high school.
Black girls I could teach, but some black boys had just given up. I could not reach them. We had a black principal at that school.
I worked with one black man from Philadelphia.
Boy, he was popular.
Those black teenagers real wanted role models.
There was one black boy and I met his grandmother who pleaded with me
to help her grandson. His father was in prison and he missed him. |
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sirius black
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
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| Posted: Wed May 20, 2015 5:58 am Post subject: |
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| Brooks wrote: |
What America needs is more black male teachers.
Young black males need to learn that study is important.
Too many don't know that.
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First, there is a war against teachers by the right. They demonize teacher unions, and teachers in general. The real reason is that teacher unions generally are democrats and give to the party. It has NOTHING to do with teachers. Republicans or the right are quick to be opposed to 'unions' IF they give money to the Democrat party such as auto unions, teacher unions. Notice how they NEVER have a problem with police or firefighter unions? Why? Those tend to vote Republican. You NEVER hear a conservative say how bad his teachers were. Many like Bush went to Yale, a fairly progressive university. I've yet to hear of a conservative say their teachers in grade school was terrible, ever. But somehow teachers are these far left socialists? BS.
There is no incentive for black males to go into teaching unless they have a deep, deep passion for it. I would guess many would and have an interest that is noble but given the climate of the profession, its not worth it. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Thu May 21, 2015 12:39 am Post subject: |
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| sirius black wrote: |
| Brooks wrote: |
What America needs is more black male teachers.
Young black males need to learn that study is important.
Too many don't know that.
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First, there is a war against teachers by the right. They demonize teacher unions, and teachers in general. The real reason is that teacher unions generally are democrats and give to the party. It has NOTHING to do with teachers. |
Yes. Precisely the same with lawyers; most who donate do so to the Democratic Party ... even the corporate defense bar leans this way in their contributions. (My old firm leaned Republican, but wouldn't contribute to the Republican Party because of their constant attacks on lawyers and their cynical boosterism for tort reform)
Attacking lawyers is one thing, hardly a defenseless group. But educators? Truly unscrupulous and low. |
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sirius black
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Kepler
Joined: 24 Sep 2007
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 8:57 pm Post subject: |
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"The judge announced a mistrial Wednesday in the case of the first officer charged in the death of Freddie Gray, after jurors in Baltimore announced they could not reach a unanimous decision....
"Three black men, four black women, two white men and three white women made up the jury. Gray was black. Porter is also black, as are two of the other five officers charged."
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/16/jury-in-freddie-gray-case-deliberates-after-announcing-deadlock/ |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
| sirius black wrote: |
| Brooks wrote: |
What America needs is more black male teachers.
Young black males need to learn that study is important.
Too many don't know that.
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First, there is a war against teachers by the right. They demonize teacher unions, and teachers in general. The real reason is that teacher unions generally are democrats and give to the party. It has NOTHING to do with teachers. |
Yes. Precisely the same with lawyers; most who donate do so to the Democratic Party ... even the corporate defense bar leans this way in their contributions. (My old firm leaned Republican, but wouldn't contribute to the Republican Party because of their constant attacks on lawyers and their cynical boosterism for tort reform)
Attacking lawyers is one thing, hardly a defenseless group. But educators? Truly unscrupulous and low. |
Police and Firefighters have far, far better union contracts than teachers in comparison. The anti union GOP rarely (and I would say never but someone may find an instance) goes after police unions or fire fighter unions. Why? They are generally conservative. Its pure hypocracy. There used to be far more police strikes in urban areas. Not as much anymore. Why? They have the juiciest union contracts. Early retirement due to disability is one of the most fraud laden things going on with cops. Tons of them not even 40 yet are living off the public dime with fake injuries. Cops also have a very high incident of domestic abuse, its obscenely high. They are untouchable though.
Going after teachers really is dispicable and hurts the country far more than people know. |
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sirius black
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| Posted: Wed Dec 16, 2015 9:53 pm Post subject: |
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| Fox news is always saying its not about race for any wrong act by a white cop against an unarmed black person UNTIL they are worried about a decision they don't want. Hypocrites. |
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Plain Meaning
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| Posted: Thu Dec 17, 2015 8:23 pm Post subject: |
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Mis-trial for First Officer Prosecuted for Freddie Grey's Death
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Porter faces involuntary manslaughter and other charges. He is the first of six police officers to go on trial in the high-profile case.
Gray's death in April from a broken neck suffered in a police van after an arrest triggered rioting in the mainly black city of 620,000 people. It also stoked a U.S. debate on police treatment of minorities.
Legal experts have said the outcome of the Baltimore trials could influence U.S. prosecutors in bringing similar charges in cases of alleged police brutality.
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Porter, who like Gray is black, was charged for neglecting to seat-belt him in the transport van and failing get Gray medical help when he asked for it.
Besides involuntary manslaughter, Porter is charged with second-degree assault, reckless endangerment and misconduct in office. |
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