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ghostrider



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 3:53 pm    Post subject: K Media: NY Times article may be racist Reply with quote

TMZ and now the New York Times have offended Korea. There was a recent article in the New York Times about Korean nail salon owners who exploit and discriminate against their non-Korean employees. Now the media in Korea is crying foul and claiming the article distorts the truth.

http://www.koreatimes.co.kr/www/news/nation/2015/05/116_178627.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/05/10/nyregion/at-nail-salons-in-nyc-manicurists-are-underpaid-and-unprotected.html?_r=0
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Qonny



Joined: 28 Oct 2014

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 5:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Korea really isn't doing much to improve the perception of them being the world's whiny little bitch, perpetual victim.

Everyone is against us! Everyone is racist to us!
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Qonny wrote:
Korea really isn't doing much to improve the perception of them being the world's whiny little bitch, perpetual victim.

Everyone is against us! Everyone is racist to us!


Thankfully, I can go to Dave's ESL Cafe to escape the mentality of 'us vs. them' and perpetual racism claiming. None of that here.
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Plain Meaning



Joined: 18 Oct 2014

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 6:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Systemic abuses that go well beyond wage theft.

Quote:
Ads in Chinese in both Sing Tao Daily and World Journal for NYC Nail Spa, a second-story salon on the Upper West Side of Manhattan, advertised a starting wage of $10 a day. The rate was confirmed by several workers.

Lawsuits filed in New York courts allege a long list of abuses: the salon in East Northport, N.Y., where workers said they were paid just $1.50 an hour during a 66-hour workweek; the Harlem salon that manicurists said charged them for drinking the water, yet on slow days paid them nothing at all; the minichain of Long Island salons whose workers said they were not only underpaid but also kicked as they sat on pedicure stools, and verbally abused.

Last year, the New York State Labor Department, in conjunction with several other agencies, conducted its first nail salon sweep ever — about a month after The Times sent officials there an inquiry regarding their enforcement record with the industry. Investigators inspected 29 salons and found 116 wage violations.


29 salons and 116 wage violations.
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Bongotruck



Joined: 19 Mar 2015

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont get the part about being printed 7 times. Does being fingrrprinted make your prints disappear?
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Qonny



Joined: 28 Oct 2014

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 7:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Steelrails wrote:
Qonny wrote:
Korea really isn't doing much to improve the perception of them being the world's whiny little bitch, perpetual victim.

Everyone is against us! Everyone is racist to us!


Thankfully, I can go to Dave's ESL Cafe to escape the mentality of 'us vs. them' and perpetual racism claiming. None of that here.


What? Was that supposed to be a jab? Everyone knows what this place is. A cess pool. A cess pool where almost no one posts. There are like 10 active posters.
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Smithington



Joined: 14 Dec 2011

PostPosted: Sun May 10, 2015 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Koreans get called out for being racist (as a great many of them are) and they cry foul. "It's racist to point out our racism. Especially in the NYT, the very newspaper we spent millions of dollars on promoting Dokdo and bulgogi..They take our money then publicize Korean racism and corruption. We demand full refund and compensation from the NYT and apology from president Obama."

On another note, wasn't Flushing where the old Korean men were occupying the local McDonalds? And when told to leave Koreans staged a "human rights" protest outside the restaurant crying racism? They're sure making a name for themselves in that district....And Koreans saying the "Spanish" workers' hygiene wasn't as good as that of the Koreans. That's saying something, given that I've never once seen a Korean wash their hands after using the washroom. But Korean's self-image has rarely had any basis in the real world. "Korean streets very clean, Koreans very kind, good hygiene...you know the Korea culture K-pop?" Confused
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Bongotruck



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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you know kimchi?
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Ralph Winfield



Joined: 23 Apr 2013

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
Koreans get called out for being racist (as a great many of them are) and they cry foul. "It's racist to point out our racism. Especially in the NYT, the very newspaper we spent millions of dollars on promoting Dokdo and bulgogi..They take our money then publicize Korean racism and corruption. We demand full refund and compensation from the NYT and apology from president Obama."

On another note, wasn't Flushing where the old Korean men were occupying the local McDonalds? And when told to leave Koreans staged a "human rights" protest outside the restaurant crying racism? They're sure making a name for themselves in that district....And Koreans saying the "Spanish" workers' hygiene wasn't as good as that of the Koreans. That's saying something, given that I've never once seen a Korean wash their hands after using the washroom. But Korean's self-image has rarely had any basis in the real world. "Korean streets very clean, Koreans very kind, good hygiene...you know the Korea culture K-pop?" Confused


Word-up, Kudos, Bang on, Here, here, and what not.
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joelove



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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 2:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Offended Korea? That makes no sense. Who gives a crap what a bunch of criminals do? Well, obviously it's bad, but the nationality is not the issue, is it? Oh, how naive of me, I guess that is the whole issue.
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ghostrider



Joined: 27 Jun 2011

PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 8:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"New York Governor Andrew Cuomo has decided to crack down on nail salons in the wake of a widely read New York Times story released last week that detailed a host of abuses against the largely undocumented community of immigrants that comprise the industry. Governor Cuomo issued an emergency order, effective immediately, assembling a multiagency task force that will inspect every single nail salon in New York to make sure it is complying with labor laws and its manicurists are not being exploited."
http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2015/05/cuomo-cracks-down-on-nail-salons.html

I don't think the media here will be very happy about this.
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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 8:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Smithington wrote:
Koreans get called out for being racist (as a great many of them are) and they cry foul. "It's racist to point out our racism. Especially in the NYT, the very newspaper we spent millions of dollars on promoting Dokdo and bulgogi..They take our money then publicize Korean racism and corruption. We demand full refund and compensation from the NYT and apology from president Obama."


Its much worse than that. Over and above racism, these Korean nail salons systemically violate the wage and hour laws of the United States of America and the State of New York. They have come to America, and have no respect for the domestic law. They exploit the marginalized in the hope that Americans will not care for (mostly) Chinese migrant workers. It is abysmal.
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Smithington



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PostPosted: Mon May 11, 2015 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In my experience in Korea, I've always found employers here to be astonishingly dishonest. Whether it's a hogwan or public school you just can't trust them to be ethical employers. Sad to know they often carry those traits with them when they emigrate to the West. Add the racist attitude towards hiring people who don't have a white face, and the general high tolerance for racism here, and the picture gets clearer. Look how comfortable they've been very recently in even demonizing white teachers here at drug addicts, paedophiles, potential rapists, with criminal records and forged degrees. And the looks Korean women still get because they're seen in public with a white man. And yet here they are crying "racism" over an investigative report that found Korean businesses systematically engaging in the racist abuse and exploitation of employees....But the Koreans are the victims. Confused

How terribly sparkly.
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bucheon bum



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pretty obvious they were doing sketchy stuff since manicures/pedicures are cheaper in NYC than almost everywhere else in the country, while the opposite is true for almost every other service or good.
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tanklor1



Joined: 13 Jun 2006

PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think it's racist, I just think that they are reporting what's happening.
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