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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Also, if you don't want to be treated any differently than Korean teachers, that means you have to be treated EXACTLY the same. Have the requirements, duties, and responsibilities. Equal privilege and benefits? Equal responsibilities and requirements. |
I'd like that. I'm the only teacher at my school that has ever worked on national holidays, Saturdays, Sundays, and mornings (outside of the winter intensive). And on these occasions I was teaching math, when my school has two math teachers. |
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young_clinton
Joined: 09 Sep 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 9:33 am Post subject: |
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| How can a NET have equal responsibilities when he or she doesn't speak Korean, nor familiar with the culture, nor looked upon as being equal. A responsibility that can not be equal does not negate having rights as a worker. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| I don't have a problem with it. We are temporary foreign workers not citizens. |
As are the million other foreign workers who are, nevertheless, not obliged to take the AIDS test. Gyopos here on "F" visas working as English teachers are also not citizens, yet are not obligated to take the tests. Surely you can't be as stupid and /or ill-informed on this subject as your post suggests. |
Not saying it is right but I think it would be hypocritical of me to act all outraged. They've been doing this to Africans for years. No complaints then. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:04 pm Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| I don't have a problem with it. We are temporary foreign workers not citizens. |
As are the million other foreign workers who are, nevertheless, not obliged to take the AIDS test. Gyopos here on "F" visas working as English teachers are also not citizens, yet are not obligated to take the tests. Surely you can't be as stupid and /or ill-informed on this subject as your post suggests. |
Not saying it is right but I think it would be hypocritical of me to act all outraged. They've been doing this to Africans for years. No complaints then. |
The hypocrisy was evident when with the person in the article who said "Why should only white, American and European people be subject to this?"
That was pretty much a slap in the face to any NET here who isn't white. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Sun May 24, 2015 5:46 pm Post subject: |
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Good job at the strawman argument.
| Steelrails wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
| catman wrote: |
| I don't have a problem with it. We are temporary foreign workers not citizens. |
As are the million other foreign workers who are, nevertheless, not obliged to take the AIDS test. Gyopos here on "F" visas working as English teachers are also not citizens, yet are not obligated to take the tests. Surely you can't be as stupid and /or ill-informed on this subject as your post suggests. |
Not saying it is right but I think it would be hypocritical of me to act all outraged. They've been doing this to Africans for years. No complaints then. |
The hypocrisy was evident when with the person in the article who said "Why should only white, American and European people be subject to this?"
That was pretty much a slap in the face to any NET here who isn't white. |
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gmlkoreanna
Joined: 23 Oct 2006
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 1:51 am Post subject: |
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| This really should not be an issue. Emigrating to the USA or Canada? No HIV test, you are not getting in. Like one poster suggested, no country wants to be over burdened by absorbing medical costs. It's not Korea that is the big bad wolf and it is not a "Korean" thing. Simple rules and standards. So if anyone is bringing their better half back with them to North America, let them know that the HIV test is required and part of the process, it's not a US or Canadian thing, it's just the procedures and standards that these countries take with "protecting their system and potentially protecting other residents living in their country. |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 2:06 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| HIV is like the drug test. If you can't get yourself clean for 30 days, you shouldn't be moving to another country. Likewise, if you have HIV, moving here to teach might not be the right move. Why should Korea have to absorb the costs of your care and deal with any potential extended leave from work? |
This would be a sound argument if it weren't for the fact that when people do contract HIV in Korea, Korea also deports them. (I have a friend who fell into this category and was summarily asked to leave or face official deportation--the offices threatened deportation several times, informed his new workplace and did whatever they could to get him out of the country, though it's written that the government is not doing such things if contracted in the country; bullshit). |
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duhweecher
Joined: 06 Nov 2013
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 2:35 am Post subject: |
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| gmlkoreanna wrote: |
| This really should not be an issue. Emigrating to the USA or Canada? No HIV test, you are not getting in. Like one poster suggested, no country wants to be over burdened by absorbing medical costs. It's not Korea that is the big bad wolf and it is not a "Korean" thing. Simple rules and standards. So if anyone is bringing their better half back with them to North America, let them know that the HIV test is required and part of the process, it's not a US or Canadian thing, it's just the procedures and standards that these countries take with "protecting their system and potentially protecting other residents living in their country. |
These sites are nearly half a decade old:
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/TRAVEL/01/04/us.hiv.visa/
http://www.cbp.gov/travel/international-visitors/hiv-final
or are you talking about getting a green card (or PERMANENT residence)? English teachers teaching in Korea are not getting anything that would make sense of your comparison with the US or Canada.
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postfundie
Joined: 28 May 2004
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 4:46 am Post subject: |
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| That was pretty much a slap in the face to any NET here who isn't white. |
wow, if you really did care about non-white NETs in Korea you'd be on this site constantly complaining about the treatment that they get here. Instead you are one if not the biggest defender/ promoter of 'it happens everywhere else' voices on this site. Drug screenings for jobs at home unfairly hurt minorities and the HIV tests over here are directed at them as well. Jeesh.. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:16 am Post subject: |
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| gmlkoreanna wrote: |
| This really should not be an issue. Emigrating to the USA or Canada? No HIV test, you are not getting in. Like one poster suggested, no country wants to be over burdened by absorbing medical costs. It's not Korea that is the big bad wolf and it is not a "Korean" thing. Simple rules and standards. So if anyone is bringing their better half back with them to North America, let them know that the HIV test is required and part of the process, it's not a US or Canadian thing, it's just the procedures and standards that these countries take with "protecting their system and potentially protecting other residents living in their country. |
The point of contention is that only a particular group of people are being subjected to the HIV tests.
Scorpion already explained this: "the million other foreign workers who are, nevertheless, not obliged to take the AIDS test. Gyopos here on "F" visas working as English teachers are also not citizens, yet are not obligated to take the tests. Surely you can't be as stupid and /or ill-informed on this subject as your post suggests."
Also in the country of my birth, HIV tests are not required for immigrants. And the countries who do have HIV tests are not picking and choosing particular groups to subject to HIV tests, which is exactly what Korea is doing. It's straight up discrimination and bigotry. A common trait in Koreans and gyopos. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:30 am Post subject: |
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It makes zero sense that two people can be born and raised in the same country, live very similar lives and be exposed to the same potential risks of contracting AIDS, yet one of those people is deemed to be less likely to be a carriers because his parents are from Korea.
I'm not against HIV tests for visiting workers if everyone is subject to the same rule, and the goverment foots the bill. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 9:20 am Post subject: |
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It makes zero sense that two people can be born and raised in the same country, live very similar lives and be exposed to the same potential risks of contracting AIDS, yet one of those people is deemed to be less likely to be a carriers because his parents are from Korea.
I'm not against HIV tests for visiting workers if everyone is subject to the same rule, and the goverment foots the bill. |
That's how I feel about it. I'm 100% fine with doing the blood tests. It's good for both me and Korea. I just wish Korea wouldn't be so racial about it by exempting all ethnic Koreans. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
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It makes zero sense that two people can be born and raised in the same country, live very similar lives and be exposed to the same potential risks of contracting AIDS, yet one of those people is deemed to be less likely to be a carriers because his parents are from Korea.
I'm not against HIV tests for visiting workers if everyone is subject to the same rule, and the goverment foots the bill. |
That's how I feel about it. I'm 100% fine with doing the blood tests. It's good for both me and Korea. I just wish Korea wouldn't be so racial about it by exempting all ethnic Koreans. |
The racial discrimination is absolutely transparent - Koreans apparently are immune to HIV. Any apologist denial of such is complete bollocks. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 5:50 pm Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
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It makes zero sense that two people can be born and raised in the same country, live very similar lives and be exposed to the same potential risks of contracting AIDS, yet one of those people is deemed to be less likely to be a carriers because his parents are from Korea.
I'm not against HIV tests for visiting workers if everyone is subject to the same rule, and the goverment foots the bill. |
That's how I feel about it. I'm 100% fine with doing the blood tests. It's good for both me and Korea. I just wish Korea wouldn't be so racial about it by exempting all ethnic Koreans. |
The racial discrimination is absolutely transparent - Koreans apparently are immune to HIV. Any apologist denial of such is complete bollocks. |
Except that people don't understand how the tests are applied.
F-4 visas working at public schools DO have to take the tests as well. They're ethnically Korean, but still have to do it. I do know that public school Korean teachers do have to take some kind of physical once every few years. I had to do that physical as well, same as them. It included a blood test.
Non-ethnically Korean F-visas working at hagwons may or may not have to take the test, depending on the employer. The employer could theoretically require that Korean workers take one as well. In this case, the test is tied to your visa status, not your nationality or ethnicity. The E-2 visa is a visa specifically for education, not country of origin or ethnicity. Therefore, it discriminates based on the basis of job and in the most basic sense nationality (all on-citizens in every country have to jump through hoops to gain entry), not ethnicity.
The myth that overseas Koreans do not have to take the tests continues to be put out there and people continue to believe it, despite it having been disproven time and time again. That's not apologist denial, that is fact. The refusal to accept and to continue to put out the myth is basher denial. |
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mayorgc
Joined: 19 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Mon May 25, 2015 6:19 pm Post subject: |
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SR is not unique in his views.
There's probably some old dinosaur in Alabama still defending the virtues of racial segregation.
Probably sitting at a corner coffee shop, trying to rationalize why Rosa Parks in fact SHOULD have given up her seat.
Keep on truckin' SR. Fight the good fight... |
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