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Sister Ray
Joined: 25 Mar 2006
Location: Fukuoka
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| World Traveler wrote: |
| That'd go a long way towards making them hate white people less . |
It'd probably help if white policemen would stop shooting them, too.  |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 8:43 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Typical nonsense, unrelated garbage and lies |
Tactics are totally different to a ship. Are you really this dense? If you want to use Finnish ski troops then you would need to refer to ski warfare, which was used by many different countries throughout many generations. There's a difference between tactics and the tools used. Your ignorance, racism, bigotry and delusions are comical.
I've highlighted the lies and garbage that you constantly post here. Everyone can see it and you become more and more pathetic with each post.
Your desperation to show the success of the turtle ship just highlights how little Korea has actually contributed to the world. And your posts highlight your desperation to maintain your delusions about South Korea. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 10:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Not only that but they were slaves IN AFRICA before going to the U.S. It's not like some white people grabbed them out of the jungle and made them slaves. Black people in America need to understand that. (Most don't.) That'd go a long way towards making them hate white people less . |
It also needs remembering that slavery came in many shapes and forms. If I had to decide, I'd rather have been an African slave in the American south (at least I'd be out in the fresh air) than a white coal miner in Yorkshire down some dark pit for twelve hours a day, breathing in filthy black soot and never seeing the sun, or laboring away in one of Dickens' aptly-named "Satanic mills." It's not as if all white people were at a dance party or a picnic while Africans were being enslaved. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Actually, the U.S. didn't give the world slavery. It was around long before that. Had those slaves not been shipped to the U.S., they'd be slaves in Africa. Which is the better place to live (in 2015): the United States or Congo? So black people (or anyone else) shouldn't be too pissed about that. They actually lucked out. Now they live in the richest country in the world (rather than one of the absolute poorest ones). Per capita income in the U.S. $54,000 a year. In the Democratic Republic of Congo: $412 per year (which is less than 1%). Probably the only time an American mentions past inventions is when an obnoxious Canadian tries to claim the United States ruined the world. |
Just in case anyone was wondering who that American is on Dave's whom Steelrails was talking about. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Typical nonsense, unrelated garbage and lies |
Tactics are totally different to a ship. Are you really this dense? If you want to use Finnish ski troops then you would need to refer to ski warfare, which was used by many different countries throughout many generations. There's a difference between tactics and the tools used. Your ignorance, racism, bigotry and delusions are comical.
I've highlighted the lies and garbage that you constantly post here. Everyone can see it and you become more and more pathetic with each post.
Your desperation to show the success of the turtle ship just highlights how little Korea has actually contributed to the world. And your posts highlight your desperation to maintain your delusions about South Korea. |
I see a lot of personal insults. I see almost nothing in the way of the merits of the turtleship. This isn't about Korea, its about military history. The tactics of using a turtleship are part and parcel with its design.
A better analogy might be the escort carriers of WWII. Exclusively built by the US in response to the specific conditions it faced in transporting materiel to England, the escort carrier proved to be an excellent design and concept. No one copied it. After WWII its time was over and had no further influence. But it did its role well and was not 'useless'.
Others might include, to varying degrees, the all-wood twin-engine Mosquito, the spring-launched PIAT anti-tank weapon, the Fiesler Storch, the LeMat revolver, the Ki-46 Dinah, and the F-14 Tomcat.
They didnt have much influence on the designs of other contemporary equipment and were superseded by later designs due to technology, but they did their job well.
The criteria for a successful military design is not whether it was revolutionary, though they may be, but whether it was effective. The turtleship was effective, same as those. It was not useless.
Pretty much every western naval historian who has examined the turtleship thought it an excellent design and had concepts that were years ahead of its time. Do you have any detailed analysis to contradict that? |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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Western naval historians recognize the turtle ship
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| The Turtle Ship is an early incarnation of the Ironclad for tactical purposes, and is best used to defend your coastlines. Thanks to its high Combat Strength, it can easily fight off enemy Caravels and even Frigates. Its main drawback is that, unlike the Caravel that it replaces, it can't roam around the oceans, which means that the Koreans have to wait until they get Frigates to start exploring other continents. |
Guess Steelrails was right about it being a coastal craft. (That's why it also sucks for your Civ, because you have to wait for the next sequential technology to explore the oceans) |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
I see a lot of personal insults. I see almost nothing in the way of the merits of the turtleship. |
Which is exactly what I'm saying. You're supposed to be the one arguing the merits of the turtleship.
What you see as insults are the truth. You're the one who has been warned for racist language on this site. That makes you a racist and a bigot. We've been over this before so don't bother doing your usual lie and deny defense.
Now you've conceded that all your previous analogies have been useless and your gibbering on about escort carriers. Just more desperation.
"But, but.....guns......but, but........tactics.......but,but........ carriers....."
It's pathetic.
Do you honestly think Americans go around on message boards claiming escort carriers are a great American invention?
Instead they keep developing and inventing new things to replace the previous.
Yet, all you've got is a turtleship.
Or maybe you could boast that a bit part actress in the Avengers movie went to your university.
This is why so many people don't even reply to your nonsense nowadays. You don't even seem to know what you're arguing about. You just seem to like the clack of the keys and seeing your excrement on this board.
There's no point replying to your drivel any further as I try to avoid racist bigots online, as much as I do offline. |
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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
Western naval historians recognize the turtle ship
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| The Turtle Ship is an early incarnation of the Ironclad for tactical purposes, and is best used to defend your coastlines. Thanks to its high Combat Strength, it can easily fight off enemy Caravels and even Frigates. Its main drawback is that, unlike the Caravel that it replaces, it can't roam around the oceans, which means that the Koreans have to wait until they get Frigates to start exploring other continents. |
Guess Steelrails was right about it being a coastal craft. (That's why it also sucks for your Civ, because you have to wait for the next sequential technology to explore the oceans) |
Are you kidding?
You're seriously referring to wiki page as "Western naval historians".
Did the turtleship help the Koreans beat the Japanese? Yes.
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