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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Ralph Winfield wrote: |
| Smithington wrote: |
| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| Honestly Smithington, what business of yours is it what some middle-aged lady is wearing? Get over yourself. |
So, no commenting on bizarre ajumma trends on Daves. No cultural observations. No opinions on what we observe on a daily basis. No takes on Korean attitudes to the weather, fashion trends, or the debate over covering ones' face in public? Okay then, as long as we know the rules. I'll do my best to "get over myself." 
Thanks for your awesome contribution. |
Ditto and word-up! Keep on keeping on, Smithington! |
I don't see why covering yourself to protect against the sun is some "bizarre" idea. Its being increasingly recommended by doctor's around the world. That's like saying Koreans are "bizarre" because they don't like heavily charred food. Actually the "bizarre" people are the ones who continue to put themselves at risk through tanning and unsafe exposure and to eat charred food.
The issue here is tone and the way in you approach the issue and the wording you choose to introduce the topic and address the issue. People here constantly take Koreans to task over their superficiality but then come here and mock their clothes. You also do so from the standpoint that they are inherently "wrong". Its not a neutral analysis.
One doesn't have to be scholarly to address Korean anti-sun clothing, but one doesn't have to be contemptuous either. |
To walk around in an outfit that suggests you're getting ready to stick up a bank is bizarre. And don't forget that underneath all that, they're slathered in (expensive) sunscreen.
One positive thing--it creates a market for the small companies who produce the masks, etc. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 6:29 pm Post subject: |
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To walk around in an outfit that suggests you're getting ready to stick up a bank is bizarre. And don't forget that underneath all that, they're slathered in (expensive) sunscreen.
One positive thing--it creates a market for the small companies who produce the masks, etc. |
The bizarre country is the one that would associate such clothing with bank robberies due to them being such a common phenomenon. A sane country is one in which people don't think that because robbing banks is not a common occurrence and the natural state is to not assume that someone so dressed is about to engage in criminal behavior.
"Why is she wearing a mask?"
A: "To protect against the sun"
B: "To engage in armed robbery"
Which to you sounds like the normal, sane country and view of things?
Did it ever occur to you that WE and not them are the strange ones? |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 6:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
To walk around in an outfit that suggests you're getting ready to stick up a bank is bizarre. And don't forget that underneath all that, they're slathered in (expensive) sunscreen.
One positive thing--it creates a market for the small companies who produce the masks, etc. |
The bizarre country is the one that would associate such clothing with bank robberies due to them being such a common phenomenon. A sane country is one in which people don't think that because robbing banks is not a common occurrence and the natural state is to not assume that someone so dressed is about to engage in criminal behavior.
"Why is she wearing a mask?"
A: "To protect against the sun"
B: "To engage in armed robbery"
Which to you sounds like the normal, sane country and view of things?
Did it ever occur to you that WE and not them are the strange ones? |
So there are no robberies in Korea? Crime is nonexistent in Korea?
Your reasoning, as usual, is bizarre.
All life on earth originates from the sun. No sun, no life. To cast such a negative association on the light that sustains your very life is bizarre. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:03 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
To walk around in an outfit that suggests you're getting ready to stick up a bank is bizarre. And don't forget that underneath all that, they're slathered in (expensive) sunscreen.
One positive thing--it creates a market for the small companies who produce the masks, etc. |
The bizarre country is the one that would associate such clothing with bank robberies due to them being such a common phenomenon. A sane country is one in which people don't think that because robbing banks is not a common occurrence and the natural state is to not assume that someone so dressed is about to engage in criminal behavior.
"Why is she wearing a mask?"
A: "To protect against the sun"
B: "To engage in armed robbery"
Which to you sounds like the normal, sane country and view of things?
Did it ever occur to you that WE and not them are the strange ones? |
So there are no robberies in Korea? Crime is nonexistent in Korea?
Your reasoning, as usual, is bizarre.
All life on earth originates from the sun. No sun, no life. To cast such a negative association on the light that sustains your very life is bizarre. |
Do you go into banks with bulletproof glass? Gas stations? Convenience stores? Schools with metal detectors?
No one in Korea is assuming that such attire has anything to do with robbing a bank. That is a mark of sanity. The place where one thinks that does indicate such a thing is the insane place. The place where if a cop talks to them and reaches for something in their pocket, its assumed to be their ID or cell phone and not a weapon is the sane place, not the crazy one.
Sorry, but the fact is the "bizarre" people are the ones that associate ajumma masks with bank robbery attire, not the people who associate them with what they are- sun protection.
We are not automatically the normal ones. |
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Smithington
Joined: 14 Dec 2011
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
| All life on earth originates from the sun. No sun, no life. To cast such a negative association on the light that sustains your very life is bizarre. |
And many of these folk are religious. Look, the Lord created this wonderful earth for us. Oh no, the sun is coming out. Ruuuunnnn!
Drizzle. Noooooo!
So much for appreciating their creator's handiwork.  |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:12 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
To walk around in an outfit that suggests you're getting ready to stick up a bank is bizarre. And don't forget that underneath all that, they're slathered in (expensive) sunscreen.
One positive thing--it creates a market for the small companies who produce the masks, etc. |
The bizarre country is the one that would associate such clothing with bank robberies due to them being such a common phenomenon. A sane country is one in which people don't think that because robbing banks is not a common occurrence and the natural state is to not assume that someone so dressed is about to engage in criminal behavior.
"Why is she wearing a mask?"
A: "To protect against the sun"
B: "To engage in armed robbery"
Which to you sounds like the normal, sane country and view of things?
Did it ever occur to you that WE and not them are the strange ones? |
So there are no robberies in Korea? Crime is nonexistent in Korea?
Your reasoning, as usual, is bizarre.
All life on earth originates from the sun. No sun, no life. To cast such a negative association on the light that sustains your very life is bizarre. |
Do you go into banks with bulletproof glass? Gas stations? Convenience stores? Schools with metal detectors?
No one in Korea is assuming that such attire has anything to do with robbing a bank. That is a mark of sanity. The place where one thinks that does indicate such a thing is the insane place. The place where if a cop talks to them and reaches for something in their pocket, its assumed to be their ID or cell phone and not a weapon is the sane place, not the crazy one.
Sorry, but the fact is the "bizarre" people are the ones that associate ajumma masks with bank robbery attire, not the people who associate them with what they are- sun protection.
We are not automatically the normal ones. |
Nice derail, but covering yourself up so you look like a Mongolian marauder (or a character in some Chinese ninja flick), to give a more Asia-specific image, is bizarre.
As for East vs. West, aren't the clothes they're wearing based on Western styles? Doesn't it then make sense to view them for a Western perspective? |
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optik404
Joined: 24 Jun 2008
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:35 pm Post subject: |
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| I for one cannot understand why grown men are arguing on the Internet about what old women wear. |
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Qonny
Joined: 28 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Wed May 27, 2015 8:49 pm Post subject: |
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| I for one cannot understand why grown men are arguing on the Internet about what old women wear. |
Because its awesome.
Why you got a Paul Walker av? Far more embarrassing. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 12:38 am Post subject: |
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| Qonny wrote: |
| optik404 wrote: |
| I for one cannot understand why grown men are arguing on the Internet about what old women wear. |
Because its awesome.
Why you got a Paul Walker av? Far more embarrassing. |
Don't knock someone for flying their freak flag.
If this were Ireland, he could marry his real love rather than having to settle for a photograph of a dead male icon. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 3:55 am Post subject: |
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| atwood wrote: |
Nice derail, but covering yourself up so you look like a Mongolian marauder (or a character in some Chinese ninja flick), to give a more Asia-specific image, is bizarre.
As for East vs. West, aren't the clothes they're wearing based on Western styles? Doesn't it then make sense to view them for a Western perspective? |
Sorry atwood, you made a bad decision to call the country that doesn't regard such clothing as a prelude to a crime the bizarre one. Reason being, their society has reached the point where people can cover their faces to protect against the sun without it being assumed that they are going to engage in criminal acts. This implies that their society has reached a level of sanity where people don't choose to target financial institutions with armed robberies on a regular basis. The crazy country is the one that has all the robberies going on and assumes that a face covering is a prelude to a criminal act.
Korea may be crazy for this, but our country is MORE crazy. We'd do well not to cast stones. But that's hard for bashers to do.
Again, Koreans are not automatically the bizarre ones. Sometimes we're the crazy ones and they the normal people. Only someone deluded or arrogant would assume that their culture is the default "normal". |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 4:06 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
Nice derail, but covering yourself up so you look like a Mongolian marauder (or a character in some Chinese ninja flick), to give a more Asia-specific image, is bizarre.
As for East vs. West, aren't the clothes they're wearing based on Western styles? Doesn't it then make sense to view them for a Western perspective? |
Sorry atwood, you made a bad decision to call the country that doesn't regard such clothing as a prelude to a crime the bizarre one. Reason being, their society has reached the point where people can cover their faces to protect against the sun without it being assumed that they are going to engage in criminal acts. This implies that their society has reached a level of sanity where people don't choose to target financial institutions with armed robberies on a regular basis. The crazy country is the one that has all the robberies going on and assumes that a face covering is a prelude to a criminal act.
Korea may be crazy for this, but our country is MORE crazy. We'd do well not to cast stones. But that's hard for bashers to do.
Again, Koreans are not automatically the bizarre ones. Sometimes we're the crazy ones and they the normal people. Only someone deluded or arrogant would assume that their culture is the default "normal". |
Sorry, no, your derail isn't working casey jones.
Koreans don't rob banks the way Americans do. They do it from the inside out. Your continued insistence that there is no crime and no robberies is absurd---B-I-Z-A-R-R-E.
I would think that the culture that has advanced civilization the most would be the one most looked to, not the one that spend centuries hiding from the outside world.
For once, can you tell us something positive rather than trying to turn kimchi into Waldorf salad. And why isn;t kimchi stopping MERS the way it did SARS? 
Carry on herr geobbels. We've got to hurry up and show how everyone should be listening to Wagner-- I mean kpop-- and driving Volkswagens--I mean Kias. |
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atwood
Joined: 26 Dec 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
Nice derail, but covering yourself up so you look like a Mongolian marauder (or a character in some Chinese ninja flick), to give a more Asia-specific image, is bizarre.
As for East vs. West, aren't the clothes they're wearing based on Western styles? Doesn't it then make sense to view them for a Western perspective? |
Sorry atwood, you made a bad decision to call the country that doesn't regard such clothing as a prelude to a crime the bizarre one. Reason being, their society has reached the point where people can cover their faces to protect against the sun without it being assumed that they are going to engage in criminal acts. This implies that their society has reached a level of sanity where people don't choose to target financial institutions with armed robberies on a regular basis. The crazy country is the one that has all the robberies going on and assumes that a face covering is a prelude to a criminal act.
Korea may be crazy for this, but our country is MORE crazy. We'd do well not to cast stones. But that's hard for bashers to do.
Again, Koreans are not automatically the bizarre ones. Sometimes we're the crazy ones and they the normal people. Only someone deluded or arrogant would assume that their culture is the default "normal". |
Sorry, no, your derail isn't working casey jones.
Koreans don't rob banks the way Americans do. They do it from the inside out. Your continued insistence that there is no crime and no robberies is absurd---B-I-Z-A-R-R-E.
I would think that the culture that has advanced civilization the most would be the one most looked to, not the one that spend centuries hiding from the outside world.
For once, can you tell us something positive rather than trying to turn kimchi into Waldorf salad. And why isn;t kimchi stopping MERS the way it did SARS?
Carry on herr geobbels. We've got to hurry up and show how everyone should be listening to Wagner-- I mean kpop-- and driving Volkswagens--I mean Kias. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 4:34 am Post subject: |
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Sorry, no, your derail isn't working casey jones.
Koreans don't rob banks the way Americans do. They do it from the inside out. [/quote]
Are you sure you want to go down this road? You might want to rethink that statement.
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| Your continued insistence that there is no crime and no robberies is absurd---B-I-Z-A-R-R-E. |
No, my point is that Korea is a sane enough country where just because someone's face is covered, doesn't cause one to leap to the conclusion that a crime is about to be committed, not that there is no crime.
The insane place is the one where people see someone with a covered face and assume a crime is about to occur, not say as protection against the sun. That implies a certain societal breakdown.
atwood, do you teach your students that different is bad or that different is okay?
| Smithington wrote: |
| atwood wrote: |
| All life on earth originates from the sun. No sun, no life. To cast such a negative association on the light that sustains your very life is bizarre. |
And many of these folk are religious. Look, the Lord created this wonderful earth for us. Oh no, the sun is coming out. Ruuuunnnn!
Drizzle. Noooooo!
So much for appreciating their creator's handiwork. |
Why don't you two go around uncovered in the sun for 4-6 hours every day for another 30 years and report back to me on how things went. We'll see who is laughing then.
Or maybe your wife or girlfriend. See what that does to her skin and how she ages. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| I for one cannot understand why grown men are arguing on the Internet about what old women wear. |
What's even worse is guys who laugh at that stuff and young girls doing it too and not realizing the connection between sun and skin aging. These are the same kind of guys who laugh at Korean girls for always doing their makeup, but will drool over them 2 hours later in the club. Do they not realize that one is connected to the other? |
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candy bar
Joined: 03 Dec 2012
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| Posted: Thu May 28, 2015 4:53 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| optik404 wrote: |
| I for one cannot understand why grown men are arguing on the Internet about what old women wear. |
What's even worse is guys who laugh at that stuff and young girls doing it too and not realizing the connection between sun and skin aging. These are the same kind of guys who laugh at Korean girls for always doing their makeup, but will drool over them 2 hours later in the club. Do they not realize that one is connected to the other? |
How do you know it's the same guys who laugh at girls that are doing their makeup are the same guys drooling over the girls 2 hours later in the club? You are making stuff up. |
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