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saram_
Joined: 13 May 2008
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 Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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| candy bar wrote: |
MERS Korea
14 dead of 138 |
I would say 14 dead out of 126.. simply because 12 of these cases were only diagnosed today. That puts the mortality rate at about 11%.
Thought with just 4 new cases confirmed yesterday that it may have been dwindling down but with this mornings new MERS count and a "4th generation case" confirmed then it is a tad more concerning. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:37 pm Post subject: |
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Below countries like Norway and Denmark. The UK's rate is DOUBLE (Something must be wrong with their culture  ) But don't let things like data get in the way of Korea bashing.
If the mouth covering thing was so effective, and the coughing on so rampant, Korea should be in well above some of those other countries.
This is why we have data, to cut through the vitriol. |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Below countries like Norway and Denmark. The UK's rate is DOUBLE (Something must be wrong with their culture ) But don't let things like data get in the way of Korea bashing.
If the mouth covering thing was so effective, and the coughing on so rampant, Korea should be in well above some of those other countries.
This is why we have data, to cut through the vitriol. |
How can you possibly reach that conclusion without taking into account other factors such as access to healthcare, climate, diet, alcohol and drug use and so on. Again nothing but conjecture. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:54 pm Post subject: |
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I just wanted to ask to see if the number of MERS deaths is something similar to deaths from pneumonia.
Then SR stuck his nose in again......
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Below countries like Norway and Denmark. The UK's rate is DOUBLE (Something must be wrong with their culture ) But don't let things like data get in the way of Korea bashing.
If the mouth covering thing was so effective, and the coughing on so rampant, Korea should be in well above some of those other countries.
This is why we have data, to cut through the vitriol. |
How can you possibly reach that conclusion without taking into account other factors such as access to healthcare, climate, diet, alcohol and drug use and so on. Again nothing but conjecture. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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| cj1976 wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Below countries like Norway and Denmark. The UK's rate is DOUBLE (Something must be wrong with their culture ) But don't let things like data get in the way of Korea bashing.
If the mouth covering thing was so effective, and the coughing on so rampant, Korea should be in well above some of those other countries.
This is why we have data, to cut through the vitriol. |
How can you possibly reach that conclusion without taking into account other factors such as access to healthcare, climate, diet, alcohol and drug use and so on. Again nothing but conjecture. |
Well, people have no problem ignoring such factors when proclaiming all of Korea's ills. They always jump to culture. It works both ways. The same standard of scrutiny one applies to Korea should be applied to every other country. If you're always going to blame "culture" when Korea is worse than another country (or when anything bad happens period), then you have to apply it in turn to everyone else.
Or if you're not going to apply culture to your own country, but rather certain factors, then you should do the same to Korea. |
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tophatcat
Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| This is the General Discussion Forum about things related, in general, to Korea. This is not the Ukraine Forum. This isn't a forum for topics or happenings in England, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Scotland, Peru, or any other country. As a matter of fact, there is a sticky announcement post stating that topics on this forum should be related to general topics about Korea. |
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metalhead
Joined: 18 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:23 am Post subject: |
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| Nah, Koreans are so insecure about their little country that they have to constantly compare it to other countries. Korea just can't hold its own in anything, for example having to copy stuff from other countries due to lack of creativity. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:54 am Post subject: |
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| tophatcat wrote: |
| This is the General Discussion Forum about things related, in general, to Korea. This is not the Ukraine Forum. This isn't a forum for topics or happenings in England, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Scotland, Peru, or any other country. As a matter of fact, there is a sticky announcement post stating that topics on this forum should be related to general topics about Korea. |
And again, if its fair game to compare negatively Korea to other countries, then its fair game to compare Korea to other countries when it works in Korea's favor. Why do people have trouble grasping this concept?
Why don't you complain at the person who first compared Korea to another country to make Korea look worse? How come people don't complain about comparisons then? If you don't want to bring up other countries, STOP BRINGING UP OTHER COUNTRIES.
But of course bashers can't grasp the concepts of fairness and rules applying both ways. If you open the door on comparisons, don't whine when other comparisons are made. |
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Savant
Joined: 25 May 2007
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
| This is the General Discussion Forum about things related, in general, to Korea. This is not the Ukraine Forum. This isn't a forum for topics or happenings in England, the USA, Canada, New Zealand, South Africa, Australia, Scotland, Peru, or any other country. As a matter of fact, there is a sticky announcement post stating that topics on this forum should be related to general topics about Korea. |
And again, if its fair game to compare negatively Korea to other countries, then its fair game to compare Korea to other countries when it works in Korea's favor. Why do people have trouble grasping this concept?
Why don't you complain at the person who first compared Korea to another country to make Korea look worse? How come people don't complain about comparisons then? If you don't want to bring up other countries, STOP BRINGING UP OTHER COUNTRIES.
But of course bashers can't grasp the concepts of fairness and rules applying both ways. If you open the door on comparisons, don't whine when other comparisons are made. |
Your whole MO is to divert attention from solely discussing issues relating to Korea and make open comparisons to other countries.
E.g Korea has weak jail sentences for sex crimes. You would instantly bring up some American cases about lengthy jail sentences for wrongly convicted criminals.
E.g Road deaths in Korea. Rather than talk about a huge problem, acknowledge it and offer ways to improve the driving "culture". You would bring up some other statistic about Road deaths in America. Korea has only had cars for 50 years bla bla bla.
E.g MERS cases in Korea. Any stat you can bring up to make it appear that Korea is not as bad as other countries? The WHO acknowledge that the spread can be down to "cultural" issues but I guess your alternative is to let hospital patients suffer in pain, loneliness and their own excrement. Or wait! How about letting nurses take care of them? Or do you want to discuss the epidemic of fecal matter infections obtained from Korea's filthy public washroom?
Q: How many strawmen does it take to form a Steelrail's point?
A: How long is a piece of a string.
Steelrail would no doubt deflect the answer. A Korean piece of string or American? Korea's string making industry is still relatively new so it is hard to make a reasonable assumption but America's string industry has been around for hundreds of years and yet cause thousands of work related deaths. Whose string industry is really better.
Answer deflected, avoided and completely derailed.
OP has been totally Steelrailed. |
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sligo
Joined: 15 Oct 2008
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
Below countries like Norway and Denmark. The UK's rate is DOUBLE (Something must be wrong with their culture ) But don't let things like data get in the way of Korea bashing.
If the mouth covering thing was so effective, and the coughing on so rampant, Korea should be in well above some of those other countries.
This is why we have data, to cut through the vitriol. |
Due to membership of The EU, The UK has to let all EU citizens into the UK as if they live there. As such the newer members of The EU can (and a lot probably do) go to The UK to acces the NHS facilities (which are free at the point of need for all), this means that any conditions that they may have been suffering from in their homeland will follow them. These figures will show up as part of the UK stats, but a closer look will show that most cases are not UK born. Last year Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU. If you want to introduce facts and figures, go a little deeper than a headline:
73% were among non-UK born
http://www.tbalert.org/about-tb/statistics-a-targets/uk-stats-and-targets/
edit: just saw this:
http://eeagrants.org/News/2014/Eradicating-tuberculosis-in-Romania
Romania has the highest TB rate in the EU
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sarahp
Joined: 30 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 6:25 am Post subject: |
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In some seriousness, how bad is this MERS outbreak. I'm headed to S. Korea in mid-August and have already had "concerned" relatives try to dissuade me from going.
I'll be in Daejeon, where I believe has only had one case of MERS so far. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:36 pm Post subject: |
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| sarahp wrote: |
In some seriousness, how bad is this MERS outbreak. I'm headed to S. Korea in mid-August and have already had "concerned" relatives try to dissuade me from going.
I'll be in Daejeon, where I believe has only had one case of MERS so far. |
There's still quite a bit of time on the calendar between now and mid-August. Over the coming weeks, everybody is going to have a better idea of how bad the MERS outbreak will or won't be. Hopefully they'll have it eradicated and you can arrive with peace of mind. But if it breaks into a pandemic, you can always pull a preemptive midnight runner. |
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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Hey guys you might want to keep your arguments aimed at the topic and not the poster.
Koharski is gonna come down here and you won't like it. |
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Joe2010
Joined: 07 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 7:06 pm Post subject: |
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TO Sarahp:
If I were you, I would definitely hold off until this storm blows over.
It Will definitely get much much worse before it starts to gets better.
Wait at least a few weeks before you decide to come.
Better to be safe than sorry. Listen to your relatives and carefully heed their advice!!!! |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:50 pm Post subject: |
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Your whole MO is to divert attention from solely discussing issues relating to Korea and make open comparisons to other countries.
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MY MO?
| Chaparrastique wrote: |
Progress via catastrophe.
(Very sadly) the story of many countries. Cultural change only happens when it is absolutely forced by circumstances.
From what I read, sierra leone has been radically altered by ebola. People no longer touch or shake hands. Never mind crowd and bump into eachother. |
| Adventurer wrote: |
| Well, people would be scared in many cases in our countries, too. Remember, the old/aged, the very young, people with compromised immune systems are more at risk then robust posters like us. |
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| I said the same thing, they needed to be forcefully quarantined. However, I do believe that westerners would be more likely to stay home voluntarily than Koreans. We would stay home if we were really sick as opposed to here where they go to work and school deathly ill. |
This was all said BEFORE I even posted.
A long pause, and then this...
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| Other counties have gotten a MERS case or two in their hospitals. How many needed quarantine and how many secondary and tertiary infections where there? ZERO. fucking ZERO. Because the healthcare systems, despite their many flaws, actually work. |
Why aren't you upset with these posters for "derailing" the thread by bringing up other countries?
No surprise that the bashers can't grasp the concept of applying standards fairly and equally to all parties, nor scrutinizing their side with the same intensity they do others. |
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