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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
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Time served.
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Four Western tourists, including two Canadians, who were charged after posting naked on a Malaysian mountaintop, were sentenced today to three days in prison, but won't have to serve any more time behind bars.
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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In another case a Saudi man who questioned Islam on social media has been sentenced to a thousand lashes (think about that) and a decade in prison. His wife and children have received refugee status in Canada.
Islam, all religion is wacky, but you are undoubtedly the wackist. (Sorry Scientology, maybe next year.) |
Saudi Arabia is not every Muslim country. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah they are not even the strictest one.
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| Scorpion wrote: |
In another case a Saudi man who questioned Islam on social media has been sentenced to a thousand lashes (think about that) and a decade in prison. His wife and children have received refugee status in Canada.
Islam, all religion is wacky, but you are undoubtedly the wackist. (Sorry Scientology, maybe next year.) |
Saudi Arabia is not every Muslim country. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
In another case a Saudi man who questioned Islam on social media has been sentenced to a thousand lashes (think about that) and a decade in prison. His wife and children have received refugee status in Canada.
Islam, all religion is wacky, but you are undoubtedly the wackist. (Sorry Scientology, maybe next year.) |
Saudi Arabia is not every Muslim country. |
On balance, Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East and the northern half of Africa.
One cannot say the same for the US government, which destabilizes every Middle Eastern nation in which it meddles. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 8:01 am Post subject: |
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| In regards to the specific case discussed on this thread, it seems that Islam isn't even the real culprit(to the extent that there is one beyond the stupidity of some tourists). Muslims generally don't believe in nature spirits, and the reports said that the local beliefs were mostly a mixture of Christian and animist. |
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Ralph Winfield
Joined: 23 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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The worst part will be when they are executed for mass murder because they caused the earthquake by offending a sacred mountain.
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* Blame it on Canada!* |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:56 pm Post subject: |
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oh yeah, the middle east has such a history of being stable.
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
In another case a Saudi man who questioned Islam on social media has been sentenced to a thousand lashes (think about that) and a decade in prison. His wife and children have received refugee status in Canada.
Islam, all religion is wacky, but you are undoubtedly the wackist. (Sorry Scientology, maybe next year.) |
Saudi Arabia is not every Muslim country. |
On balance, Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East and the northern half of Africa.
One cannot say the same for the US government, which destabilizes every Middle Eastern nation in which it meddles. |
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Plain Meaning
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What? I said 'Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East,' and 'the US gov't destabilizes every ME country in which it meddles.' Your response is effectively a non-sequitor. I wouldn't deny that the Middle East has a tumultuous history.
Let me guess, you are American?
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oh yeah, the middle east has such a history of being stable.
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
In another case a Saudi man who questioned Islam on social media has been sentenced to a thousand lashes (think about that) and a decade in prison. His wife and children have received refugee status in Canada.
Islam, all religion is wacky, but you are undoubtedly the wackist. (Sorry Scientology, maybe next year.) |
Saudi Arabia is not every Muslim country. |
On balance, Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East and the northern half of Africa.
One cannot say the same for the US government, which destabilizes every Middle Eastern nation in which it meddles. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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You are mistaking my response with a pro-American rhetoric. No, it is more of what I think of islam.
Your comment is akin to a honey wagon coming and emptying a septic tank and saying it doesn't stink anymore.
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What? I said 'Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East,' and 'the US gov't destabilizes every ME country in which it meddles.' Your response is effectively a non-sequitor. I wouldn't deny that the Middle East has a tumultuous history.
Let me guess, you are American?
| Bongotruck wrote: |
oh yeah, the middle east has such a history of being stable.
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
In another case a Saudi man who questioned Islam on social media has been sentenced to a thousand lashes (think about that) and a decade in prison. His wife and children have received refugee status in Canada.
Islam, all religion is wacky, but you are undoubtedly the wackist. (Sorry Scientology, maybe next year.) |
Saudi Arabia is not every Muslim country. |
On balance, Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East and the northern half of Africa.
One cannot say the same for the US government, which destabilizes every Middle Eastern nation in which it meddles. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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That sufficiently answers my question - you are American.
Does what you think of Islam really matter? I mean, have you traveled to the Middle East, studied Islam or Middle Eastern history in any serious way, or do you have any contact with Muslims in the States?
Because in America its okay to be bigoted against Islam. It will get you in little trouble anywhere there, its even tolerated in some leftist forums (Bill Maher). And yet Americans know nothing about Islam, in most cases.
Obviously, I cannot go any further in depth because the ToS prevents me from DEFENDING ISLAM, apparently. But I can attack your ignorance.
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You are mistaking my response with a pro-American rhetoric. No, it is more of what I think of islam.
Your comment is akin to a honey wagon coming and emptying a septic tank and saying it doesn't stink anymore.
| Plain Meaning wrote: |
What? I said 'Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East,' and 'the US gov't destabilizes every ME country in which it meddles.' Your response is effectively a non-sequitor. I wouldn't deny that the Middle East has a tumultuous history.
Let me guess, you are American?
| Bongotruck wrote: |
oh yeah, the middle east has such a history of being stable.
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
In another case a Saudi man who questioned Islam on social media has been sentenced to a thousand lashes (think about that) and a decade in prison. His wife and children have received refugee status in Canada.
Islam, all religion is wacky, but you are undoubtedly the wackist. (Sorry Scientology, maybe next year.) |
Saudi Arabia is not every Muslim country. |
On balance, Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East and the northern half of Africa.
One cannot say the same for the US government, which destabilizes every Middle Eastern nation in which it meddles. |
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To recap what my position is, in a way that is easy to understand.
1) Islam helps the Middle East.
2) US harms the Middle East.
3) Middle East = x |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 5:07 am Post subject: |
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It is only 'ignorance' to you because I disagree with your opinion.
To answer your questions, no, I have not met many muslims. A few, not many. I have never studied it and I have never nor will ever visit a muslim country, for fear of my own safety.
And Islam has done little to endear themselves to the rest of the world. You will find people that hate them anywhere in the world. But the biggest haters of muslims are other muslims. Otherwise, they wouldn't kill each other so much.
But anyways, attack my 'ignorance.'
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That sufficiently answers my question - you are American.
Does what you think of Islam really matter? I mean, have you traveled to the Middle East, studied Islam or Middle Eastern history in any serious way, or do you have any contact with Muslims in the States?
Because in America its okay to be bigoted against Islam. It will get you in little trouble anywhere there, its even tolerated in some leftist forums (Bill Maher). And yet Americans know nothing about Islam, in most cases.
Obviously, I cannot go any further in depth because the ToS prevents me from DEFENDING ISLAM, apparently. But I can attack your ignorance.
| Bongotruck wrote: |
You are mistaking my response with a pro-American rhetoric. No, it is more of what I think of islam.
Your comment is akin to a honey wagon coming and emptying a septic tank and saying it doesn't stink anymore.
| Plain Meaning wrote: |
What? I said 'Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East,' and 'the US gov't destabilizes every ME country in which it meddles.' Your response is effectively a non-sequitor. I wouldn't deny that the Middle East has a tumultuous history.
Let me guess, you are American?
| Bongotruck wrote: |
oh yeah, the middle east has such a history of being stable.
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Scorpion wrote: |
In another case a Saudi man who questioned Islam on social media has been sentenced to a thousand lashes (think about that) and a decade in prison. His wife and children have received refugee status in Canada.
Islam, all religion is wacky, but you are undoubtedly the wackist. (Sorry Scientology, maybe next year.) |
Saudi Arabia is not every Muslim country. |
On balance, Islam is a civilizing influence on the Middle East and the northern half of Africa.
One cannot say the same for the US government, which destabilizes every Middle Eastern nation in which it meddles. |
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To recap what my position is, in a way that is easy to understand.
1) Islam helps the Middle East.
2) US harms the Middle East.
3) Middle East = x |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| At least you're honest. As I said before, I have to attack your foundation for your opinion because the ToS, apparently, prohibits me from attacking your argument on the merits. |
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ersatzredux
Joined: 15 Dec 2007
Location: Same as it ever was, same as it ever was
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:27 am Post subject: |
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Time served.
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Four Western tourists, including two Canadians, who were charged after posting naked on a Malaysian mountaintop, were sentenced today to three days in prison, but won't have to serve any more time behind bars.
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It's an outrage they had to spend any time behind bars at all. Look at the baneful influence our appeasement of that new Hitler Putin is causing around the world. First *beep* Riot and now this? Remember Munich! |
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