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jazzmaster
Joined: 30 Sep 2013
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| sligo wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
Below countries like Norway and Denmark. The UK's rate is DOUBLE (Something must be wrong with their culture  ) But don't let things like data get in the way of Korea bashing.
If the mouth covering thing was so effective, and the coughing on so rampant, Korea should be in well above some of those other countries.
This is why we have data, to cut through the vitriol. |
Due to membership of The EU, The UK has to let all EU citizens into the UK as if they live there. As such the newer members of The EU can (and a lot probably do) go to The UK to acces the NHS facilities (which are free at the point of need for all), this means that any conditions that they may have been suffering from in their homeland will follow them. These figures will show up as part of the UK stats, but a closer look will show that most cases are not UK born. Last year Bulgaria and Romania joined the EU. If you want to introduce facts and figures, go a little deeper than a headline:
73% were among non-UK born
http://www.tbalert.org/about-tb/statistics-a-targets/uk-stats-and-targets/
edit: just saw this:
http://eeagrants.org/News/2014/Eradicating-tuberculosis-in-Romania
Romania has the highest TB rate in the EU |
Talk about being hoisted by his own petard.
Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand, and (if the 73% of non-UK born are removed) the UK are all lower than Korea.
Which would support people's assertion that Korean hygiene remains worse than most of our countries of birth. |
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candy bar
Joined: 03 Dec 2012
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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No room for the emotional stuff.
Only facts and figures here:
Various reports showing the cultural factor of the spread.
145 cases as of today. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:53 pm Post subject: |
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with certain posters on this board, thats all they have. emotional stuff.
| candy bar wrote: |
No room for the emotional stuff.
Only facts and figures here:
Various reports showing the cultural factor of the spread.
145 cases as of today. |
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Joe2010
Joined: 07 Sep 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:40 am Post subject: |
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Everyone, lets be rational.
We are facing a killer virus.
This is an extremely deadly virus with an very high death rate.
It is only by the grace of GOD that I haven't been infected and died yet.
Every hour, every day I count my blessings that I'm still alive.
Personally, I am doing everything I possibly can to protect myself.
When I'm not at my school, I stay home all day except for when I have to absolutely must go to the store to buy something.
When I do go out, I wear eye goggles and an n95 mask.
I also bought a motorcycle helmet with a large plastic face shield just in case.
I pray that this virus will soon die out, but I'm afraid this virus is only getting started. This is gonna be a nasty one and unfortunately, it's starting to spread like a wildfire.
Storm clouds are coming! It's time to batton down the hatches and prepare for the worst.
I hope I'm wrong, but I've got a bad feeling in my gut about this.
Buckle your seat belts, I think we're in for a long rough bumply ride. |
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:22 am Post subject: |
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| No it is only by the grace of Xenu |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 2:56 am Post subject: |
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| Whose grace do we need to be privy to for you to start paragraphing? |
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cj1976
Joined: 26 Oct 2005
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:03 am Post subject: |
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| Joe2010 wrote: |
Everyone, lets be rational.
We are facing a killer virus.
This is an extremely deadly virus with an very high death rate.
It is only by the grace of GOD that I haven't been infected and died yet.
Every hour, every day I count my blessings that I'm still alive.
Personally, I am doing everything I possibly can to protect myself.
When I'm not at my school, I stay home all day except for when I have to absolutely must go to the store to buy something.
When I do go out, I wear eye goggles and an n95 mask.
I also bought a motorcycle helmet with a large plastic face shield just in case.
I pray that this virus will soon die out, but I'm afraid this virus is only getting started. This is gonna be a nasty one and unfortunately, it's starting to spread like a wildfire.
Storm clouds are coming! It's time to batton down the hatches and prepare for the worst.
I hope I'm wrong, but I've got a bad feeling in my gut about this.
Buckle your seat belts, I think we're in for a long rough bumply ride. |
At least some of that is utter bullshit. |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:21 am Post subject: |
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More or less BS than what the Korean government has told the people lately?
| cj1976 wrote: |
| Joe2010 wrote: |
Everyone, lets be rational.
We are facing a killer virus.
This is an extremely deadly virus with an very high death rate.
It is only by the grace of GOD that I haven't been infected and died yet.
Every hour, every day I count my blessings that I'm still alive.
Personally, I am doing everything I possibly can to protect myself.
When I'm not at my school, I stay home all day except for when I have to absolutely must go to the store to buy something.
When I do go out, I wear eye goggles and an n95 mask.
I also bought a motorcycle helmet with a large plastic face shield just in case.
I pray that this virus will soon die out, but I'm afraid this virus is only getting started. This is gonna be a nasty one and unfortunately, it's starting to spread like a wildfire.
Storm clouds are coming! It's time to batton down the hatches and prepare for the worst.
I hope I'm wrong, but I've got a bad feeling in my gut about this.
Buckle your seat belts, I think we're in for a long rough bumply ride. |
At least some of that is utter bullshit. |
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Enrico Palazzo
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Joined: 11 Mar 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:11 am Post subject: |
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In some seriousness, how bad is this MERS outbreak. I'm headed to S. Korea in mid-August and have already had "concerned" relatives try to dissuade me from going.
I'll be in Daejeon, where I believe has only had one case of MERS so far. |
I would not worry about MERS if you aren't old, don't have a compromised immune system. And if you haven't just come back from the Persian/Arabian Gulf, you should be fine. Naturally, there's some panic in Korea, but that's more out of ignorance. Several of the cases have been connected to people at hospitals and older people. One younger person did get sick, but that person was already a patient at a hospital. I saw a funny newspaper article that suggested people do various funny things to try to prevent getting MERS including eating cactus. I kid you not. It was mentioned in the Korea Times. |
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Chaparrastique
Joined: 01 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 7:17 am Post subject: |
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| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
| to try to prevent getting MERS including eating cactus. |
Cactus? Does kimchi not cut it anymore? |
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Bongotruck
Joined: 19 Mar 2015
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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There was a rrport of the top 10 immune system boosting foods. Cactus was one of them.
| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| Enrico Palazzo wrote: |
| to try to prevent getting MERS including eating cactus. |
Cactus? Does kimchi not cut it anymore? |
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maximmm
Joined: 01 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:24 pm Post subject: |
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| Joe2010 wrote: |
Everyone, lets be rational.
We are facing a killer virus.
This is an extremely deadly virus with an very high death rate.
It is only by the grace of GOD that I haven't been infected and died yet.
Every hour, every day I count my blessings that I'm still alive.
Personally, I am doing everything I possibly can to protect myself.
When I'm not at my school, I stay home all day except for when I have to absolutely must go to the store to buy something.
When I do go out, I wear eye goggles and an n95 mask.
I also bought a motorcycle helmet with a large plastic face shield just in case.
I pray that this virus will soon die out, but I'm afraid this virus is only getting started. This is gonna be a nasty one and unfortunately, it's starting to spread like a wildfire.
Storm clouds are coming! It's time to batton down the hatches and prepare for the worst.
I hope I'm wrong, but I've got a bad feeling in my gut about this.
Buckle your seat belts, I think we're in for a long rough bumply ride. |
I think you are not being quite rational here. If you were rational, here is what you would do.
Let's face it, this epidemic will cause people to start buying food/water in such numbers that eventually SK will run out of food and water. We'll have famine on our hands! So, I've started buying food and water early - so I won't have this problem.
After SK runs out of food and water, we'll have a situation similar to the one in the new Mad Max - I'm talking major conflicts all over the country. Wild gangs robbing and raping innocent people and possibly eating them (after the food runs out). So, I bought a machine gun (with enough ammunition to level the whole city, a bullet proof vests and a few rocket launchers.
But wait - let's be reasonable here. What would NK do when it's neighbor turns Mad Max? I'm thinking nuclear attack! So, I built a bunker!
I can only hope that I've done enough because things are going to get grim fast! |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:27 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand, and (if the 73% of non-UK born are removed) the UK are all lower than Korea.
Which would support people's assertion that Korean hygiene remains worse than most of our countries of birth. |
Or that they simply have more people in closer contact than any of those countries and the UK only comes close to comparing because it's the closest to Korea in terms of population density.
South Korea is 23rd in the world in population density at 503 people per square kilometer. Of the countries you mentioned, the next highest on the list is The UK at 262 people per square kilometer, or about half of Korea. The USA comes in next at 32 people per square kilometer - 6.4% of that of Korea. New Zealand's population density is about half the US and then Australia and Canada are laughably empty countries both hovering around 3 people per square kilometer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density
Considering these numbers, if Korean hygiene were such a huge problem, we'd see much larger disparities simply due to personal proximity. You're 167 times more likely to encounter a random infected stranger in Korea than you are in Australia. The fact that we don't see such huge differences implies that Korean hygiene is at least on par with those countries.
The real crux of the matter here is, if you wanted to survive the zombie apocalypse, you chose the wrong country to live in. |
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Qonny
Joined: 28 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Underwaterbob wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
Canada, USA, Australia, New Zealand, and (if the 73% of non-UK born are removed) the UK are all lower than Korea.
Which would support people's assertion that Korean hygiene remains worse than most of our countries of birth. |
Or that they simply have more people in closer contact than any of those countries and the UK only comes close to comparing because it's the closest to Korea in terms of population density.
South Korea is 23rd in the world in population density at 503 people per square kilometer. Of the countries you mentioned, the next highest on the list is The UK at 262 people per square kilometer, or about half of Korea. The USA comes in next at 32 people per square kilometer - 6.4% of that of Korea. New Zealand's population density is about half the US and then Australia and Canada are laughably empty countries both hovering around 3 people per square kilometer.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories_by_population_density
Considering these numbers, if Korean hygiene were such a huge problem, we'd see much larger disparities simply due to personal proximity. You're 167 times more likely to encounter a random infected stranger in Korea than you are in Australia. The fact that we don't see such huge differences implies that Korean hygiene is at least on par with those countries.
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You do realize about 90% of Australia's land mass is uninhabited.
So uour 165x stat isn't correct. Thats the problem with looking at raw data without any context.
Do people overstate the hygine problem in Korea? Yes.
But to deny it is ridiculous.
The WHO have explicity stated that cultural factors are at play in MERS spread in Korea.
It doesnt always have to be a zero sum game. Korea bad. Other countries good. We all have our share of problems.
My brother visited me last winter and even he commented on people turning to cough on him. I always remember that becuase I was like "so it isnt just me". |
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Underwaterbob
Joined: 08 Jan 2005
Location: In Cognito
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 6:41 pm Post subject: |
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| Qonny wrote: |
| You do realize about 90% of Australia's land mass is uninhabited. |
And 70% of Korea is uninhabited mountains. The farthest you can be from an infected person in Korea is a few hundred kilometers. And those few hundred are packed with potential carriers. It's a 4-5 hour drive from Seoul to Busan. It's 4-5 days of driving (and that's at 12 hours a day not stopping for food and going between 90 and 100kph) to get from Brisbane to Perth. My numbers still stand.
| Qonny wrote: |
Do people overstate the hygine problem in Korea? Yes.
But to deny it is ridiculous. |
I haven't seen any data that points to there actually being a hygiene problem in Korea. Yes, I too have seen Koreans not cover their mouth when they cough or sneeze, though not nearly as frequently or blatantly in each others' faces as others here claim. But the fact of the matter is, my account and those others are all completely anecdotal. The actual numbers show infection rates of various diseases in Korea are comparable to those in The UK, The US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand, despite Korea having the added detriment of being far more densely populated than all of those countries. Maybe, just maybe Korea is doing something right here. |
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