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 Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| This case wasn't vehicular manslaughter, it was assault following a verbal provocation from the victim. 15 years or even 10 years would be excessive. |
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optik404
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:02 am Post subject: |
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When a foreigner gets in trouble with the law, comparisons to the US are just fine on Dave's. Some of you are so simple.
THIS KOREAN IN THE US DIDNT GET ANY TIME FOR KILLING SOMEONE
THEN THE EXPAT IN KOREA ALSO SHOULDN'T GET ANY TIME!!!
The hypocrisy on Dave's is on another level. |
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EZE
Joined: 05 May 2012
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 6:39 am Post subject: |
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| optik404 wrote: |
When a foreigner gets in trouble with the law, comparisons to the US are just fine on Dave's. Some of you are so simple.
THIS KOREAN IN THE US DIDNT GET ANY TIME FOR KILLING SOMEONE
THEN THE EXPAT IN KOREA ALSO SHOULDN'T GET ANY TIME!!!
The hypocrisy on Dave's is on another level. |
Except nobody wrote that. Your post is an example of selective perception.
I wrote about the Korean in the USA getting no prison time whatsoever for killing a teenager in response to Korean netizens speculating about Koreans receiving a harsher punishment in the USA for the same crime. What I wrote was a fact, not a personal opinion.
My personal opinion is zero days for killing another person and four years for killing another person are both ridiculously lenient sentences. It's no way to deter crime, and it puts an obscenely cheap price tag on human lives. |
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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| EZE wrote: |
My personal opinion is zero days for killing another person and four years for killing another person are both ridiculously lenient sentences. It's no way to deter crime, and it puts an obscenely cheap price tag on human lives. |
Deterrence is not the sole objective of sentencing, there are competing objectives, such as rehabilitation and retribution. And sentencing should not be seen as putting a price on a life, but as part of correcting a wrong. When a life is lost, the wrong can never adequately be corrected.
Under the circumstances, chances for rehabilitation may be positive, particularly if the assailant had no other assault or violent charges of any kind. |
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chellovek
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| Posted: Fri Jun 26, 2015 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| four years for manslaughter is pretty light. |
That was my exact thought when I read it. I remember following the reportage on the whole thing, I assumed he was going to get thrown under the bus. |
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happyinhenan
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Always remember as a kid seeing a fight against a kickboxer of national renown starting a fight against some scared to death fella, scared to death fella threw a haymaker and caught the kickboxer on the chin who then fell down and smashed his head off the pavement, he died days later.
It was a freak accident, no way in a million years would the kickboxer had lost that paticular fight - never mind being killed 99% of the time - but when you throw punches - there is a chance that you can kill someone with a punch - you have to be really careful when you start hitting people on the chin - especially if you have some idea of what you are doing. |
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tob55
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:09 am Post subject: |
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| While I feel for the American, or any other nationality for that matter, the bottom line is this: wrong place, wrong time, wrong situation. You want to be free of this potential, then don't put yourself OR others in the situation where it is likely to happen. (He probably wishes he would have done something different that night in hind sight) The guy will have a chance to appeal if he has counsel, otherwise he will spend the next four years in a Korean prison for being convicted of the crime he was found guilty of. Like it or not the system in Korea works just like it does in any other country. Talk of he should have done this or that are nothing more than talk at this point. IMHO |
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hellofaniceguy
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A lot of mitigating factors are also involved in the case that we, the public do not know.
Having been called to serve on jury duty a few times...I always tell the lawyers during Voir dire that I will vote not guilty...even not having heard the case because I have no trust in the cops and prosecutors. Hundreds, as we now know, hundreds of people serving life terms and many on death row have been cleared after spending 10, 20, 30 years in prison! These same juries heard the evidence and convicted these innocent people...I want no part of it.
It could well be YOU sitting in the hot seat charged with a crime...and you're NOT guilty but you very well could be found guilty!
Do you want to take that chance? |
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Captain Corea
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| Posted: Sun Jun 28, 2015 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
As far as Korean vs. foreigner sentences, I believe there was some incident where a father guy and 3 youths outside a CU got in a fight and the guy fell and hit his head. That might serve as a comparison IF the facts of the case are similar to this one. |
In that case the murderer served no jail time. The victims family were offered money to cover the hospital bills, funeral, and showed such contrition that the victims family accepted the deal.
The victims wife then asked for clemency on the murderers behalf, which resulted in no jail time.
Once the arrest warrant had been cancelled and the murderer was in the clear, his family cut contact with the victims family without paying the money they promised. |
They were teens, right?
I always wondered what happened there. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:49 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
As far as Korean vs. foreigner sentences, I believe there was some incident where a father guy and 3 youths outside a CU got in a fight and the guy fell and hit his head. That might serve as a comparison IF the facts of the case are similar to this one. |
In that case the murderer served no jail time. The victims family were offered money to cover the hospital bills, funeral, and showed such contrition that the victims family accepted the deal.
The victims wife then asked for clemency on the murderers behalf, which resulted in no jail time.
Once the arrest warrant had been cancelled and the murderer was in the clear, his family cut contact with the victims family without paying the money they promised. |
Really? Can they go before a judge with that? Wouldn't that be a legal agreement? You'd think Korea might get on that. |
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Weigookin74
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:57 pm Post subject: |
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| happyinhenan wrote: |
Always remember as a kid seeing a fight against a kickboxer of national renown starting a fight against some scared to death fella, scared to death fella threw a haymaker and caught the kickboxer on the chin who then fell down and smashed his head off the pavement, he died days later.
It was a freak accident, no way in a million years would the kickboxer had lost that paticular fight - never mind being killed 99% of the time - but when you throw punches - there is a chance that you can kill someone with a punch - you have to be really careful when you start hitting people on the chin - especially if you have some idea of what you are doing. |
I'm assuming in America he prob didn't go to jail as this would be recognized as self defence. |
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jazzmaster
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 5:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Captain Corea wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
As far as Korean vs. foreigner sentences, I believe there was some incident where a father guy and 3 youths outside a CU got in a fight and the guy fell and hit his head. That might serve as a comparison IF the facts of the case are similar to this one. |
In that case the murderer served no jail time. The victims family were offered money to cover the hospital bills, funeral, and showed such contrition that the victims family accepted the deal.
The victims wife then asked for clemency on the murderers behalf, which resulted in no jail time.
Once the arrest warrant had been cancelled and the murderer was in the clear, his family cut contact with the victims family without paying the money they promised. |
They were teens, right?
I always wondered what happened there. |
The person that actually killed the father was 20 years old. |
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fermentation
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| Posted: Mon Jun 29, 2015 6:10 pm Post subject: |
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| tob55 wrote: |
| While I feel for the American, or any other nationality for that matter, the bottom line is this: wrong place, wrong time, wrong situation. You want to be free of this potential, then don't put yourself OR others in the situation where it is likely to happen. (He probably wishes he would have done something different that night in hind sight) The guy will have a chance to appeal if he has counsel, otherwise he will spend the next four years in a Korean prison for being convicted of the crime he was found guilty of. Like it or not the system in Korea works just like it does in any other country. Talk of he should have done this or that are nothing more than talk at this point. IMHO |
The lesson we should learn from this is that getting into altercations should be avoided almost all the time. Even if you feel you are in the right, things can always go sour fast, especially if you are in a foreign country. I feel for the guy and I can put myself in his shoes. If a belligerent drunk sexually assaults a friend, physically hurts another, and threatens my life with a weapon, it probably wouldn't be that easy to remove myself from the situation even though that is the smarter thing to do. It's something that could easily happen to anybody. |
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alongway
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| Posted: Tue Jun 30, 2015 6:05 pm Post subject: |
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| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
As far as Korean vs. foreigner sentences, I believe there was some incident where a father guy and 3 youths outside a CU got in a fight and the guy fell and hit his head. That might serve as a comparison IF the facts of the case are similar to this one. |
In that case the murderer served no jail time. The victims family were offered money to cover the hospital bills, funeral, and showed such contrition that the victims family accepted the deal.
The victims wife then asked for clemency on the murderers behalf, which resulted in no jail time.
Once the arrest warrant had been cancelled and the murderer was in the clear, his family cut contact with the victims family without paying the money they promised. |
No.
Murder is a public crime, you can't avoid it by paying blood money. |
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| Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:26 am Post subject: |
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| alongway wrote: |
| jazzmaster wrote: |
| Steelrails wrote: |
As far as Korean vs. foreigner sentences, I believe there was some incident where a father guy and 3 youths outside a CU got in a fight and the guy fell and hit his head. That might serve as a comparison IF the facts of the case are similar to this one. |
In that case the murderer served no jail time. The victims family were offered money to cover the hospital bills, funeral, and showed such contrition that the victims family accepted the deal.
The victims wife then asked for clemency on the murderers behalf, which resulted in no jail time.
Once the arrest warrant had been cancelled and the murderer was in the clear, his family cut contact with the victims family without paying the money they promised. |
No.
Murder is a public crime, you can't avoid it by paying blood money. |
MANSLAUGHTER IS NOT THE SAME AS MURDER.
(also, your Old Testament Commandments are probably poorly translated) |
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