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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Not everything follows the life of one person either. |
Get out of here with your logic!
Over the years Dave's has taught me that if you see something happen, or feel strongly about something, your account and opinion of the events is fact. From this I have learned that 100% of Koreans spit literally everywhere, cough and sneeze in each others' faces daily and kill 1.3 pedestrians a day, evolution is a fairy tale dreamed up by a huge conspiracy of corrupt scientists seeking fame, and medieval accounts of dragons were actually dinosaurs which have co-existed with mankind for the past 6000 years - the age of the Earth - around which the Sun revolves and I'll be damned if any stinkin' logic or data or statistics get in the way of my views! |
I miss that guy. He was like a flat earth Steelrails. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Wed Jul 15, 2015 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Systems such as park and ride can serve to persuade people to make short car trips and longer public transportation trips, rather than longer car trips.
Again, NOT EVERYTHING FOLLOWS THE CLASSROOM.
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Not everything follows the life of one person either. |
True, but thats my point. Families, people with disabilities, the elderly, people whose job requires heavy equipment, people who need to regularly visit places without easy access to public transportation, people who have to go from site to site, people who cant go to work soaked in rain/sweat, etc. etc. These are not an isolated few.
And bonus points to anyone who can answer the Seoul bridges question. |
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Coltronator
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 12:12 am Post subject: |
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| To blow them up and restrict movement as they retreat south. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 4:31 am Post subject: |
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| To blow them up and restrict movement as they retreat south. |
We have a winner. Well done. All the bridges in Seoul have a command post on them. It's original function was to control military~civilian traffic and in the event of a rapid Nork advance on Seoul, to blow up the bridges to prevent them from being used by the enemy. Of course these days they basically serve as a place for whatever government agency is in the area for whatever reason (police, construction, etc.) to use it as a rest area to drink coffee, take a crap, and snooze on the government dollar. I'm guessing any explosives that may have once been held there are long since gone as the likelihood of the Norks launching that big of a surprise attack is far less than some 19 year old private accidentally blowing them up or some thieves stealing them.
Just goes to show how much military planning is taken into consideration when it comes to transportation. Commerce and politics are in the lead, but there is that military influence that demands certain things. Occasional big, wide roads approaching and along a major defensive line like the Han River are another. While they may not be aesthetically pleasing, they serve a vital secondary function.
Sister Ray might badmouth the big roads, but that tune would change when power gets knocked out to the subways and the rescue convoy evacuates you on the big wide road out of town that allows army trucks to drive around debris in the road. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
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| New York city has a larger suburban sprawl with more vehicles on the roads going into the suburban parts into the city than In Seoul. They have a larger port too. Why is there not more pollution in New York City? Polluted air isn't blowing down from Canada. But Seoul does have it blowing in from China. I would much rather drive in Korea than in Japan. My friend drove acrosss the country and told me of the 200 tolls. He tried to take the regular roads but were single lane and woefully inadequate. At least Korea has more multilane roads even in the countryside making it much more smooth of a drive. The city centers outside of Seoul are of course still a pain with high traffic due to a lack of city center expressways and too many cars in a small area. But, Japan is probably going to really drive youcrazy literally. |
I'm pretty sure this isn't true, unless you're counting places that aren't in the city as "suburban parts of the city". |
That's why I call it suburban. Lots of cars do commute into the city everyday from Long Island, New Jersey, Connecticut, etc. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 8:05 am Post subject: |
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Let's cut to the chase, huh?
I'm from Saint John in Canada. Having travelled to Boston, Hartford, NYC, Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa(?), and "T.O" in the last ten years, have 2 say that at least Busan sux BIG balz when compared to any of the those mentioned aboved. Therefore, Korean cities suk BIG balz when it comes to driving. 4sur. That's WITHOUT considering the snow and ice that's NORMAL at all in the aforementioned places!!!! |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:34 pm Post subject: |
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Let's cut to the chase, huh?
I'm from Saint John in Canada. Having travelled to Boston, Hartford, NYC, Quebec City, Montreal, Ottawa(?), and "T.O" in the last ten years, have 2 say that at least Busan sux BIG balz when compared to any of the those mentioned aboved. Therefore, Korean cities suk BIG balz when it comes to driving. 4sur. That's WITHOUT considering the snow and ice that's NORMAL at all in the aforementioned places!!!! |
Busan sucks compared to Hartford? Really? Not sure about that one... |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| New York city has a larger suburban sprawl with more vehicles on the roads going into the suburban parts into the city than In Seoul. They have a larger port too. Why is there not more pollution in New York City? Polluted air isn't blowing down from Canada. But Seoul does have it blowing in from China. I would much rather drive in Korea than in Japan. My friend drove acrosss the country and told me of the 200 tolls. He tried to take the regular roads but were single lane and woefully inadequate. At least Korea has more multilane roads even in the countryside making it much more smooth of a drive. The city centers outside of Seoul are of course still a pain with high traffic due to a lack of city center expressways and too many cars in a small area. But, Japan is probably going to really drive youcrazy literally. |
I'm pretty sure this isn't true, unless you're counting places that aren't in the city as "suburban parts of the city". |
That's why I call it suburban. Lots of cars do commute into the city everyday from Long Island, New Jersey, Connecticut, etc. |
Sort of. A lot more people take Metro North/LIRR/NJ Transit than drive, as it's way faster and less expensive to do so. Within that, however, they're usually driving to the train station. |
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jvalmer
Joined: 06 Jun 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 7:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
| Coltronator wrote: |
| To blow them up and restrict movement as they retreat south. |
We have a winner. Well done. All the bridges in Seoul have a command post on them. It's original function was to control military~civilian traffic and in the event of a rapid Nork advance on Seoul, to blow up the bridges to prevent them from being used by the enemy. Of course these days they basically serve as a place for whatever government agency is in the area for whatever reason (police, construction, etc.) to use it as a rest area to drink coffee, take a crap, and snooze on the government dollar. I'm guessing any explosives that may have once been held there are long since gone as the likelihood of the Norks launching that big of a surprise attack is far less than some 19 year old private accidentally blowing them up or some thieves stealing them.
Just goes to show how much military planning is taken into consideration when it comes to transportation. Commerce and politics are in the lead, but there is that military influence that demands certain things. Occasional big, wide roads approaching and along a major defensive line like the Han River are another. While they may not be aesthetically pleasing, they serve a vital secondary function.
Sister Ray might badmouth the big roads, but that tune would change when power gets knocked out to the subways and the rescue convoy evacuates you on the big wide road out of town that allows army trucks to drive around debris in the road. |
I don't think bridges have explosives in them to collapse them. I know for sure there are bridges north of Seoul that are essentially concrete barricades. I think they're designed so it's simple to collapse with explosives. It would delay advancing tanks for a couple of hours. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jul 16, 2015 11:42 pm Post subject: |
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| jvalmer wrote: |
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| Coltronator wrote: |
| To blow them up and restrict movement as they retreat south. |
We have a winner. Well done. All the bridges in Seoul have a command post on them. It's original function was to control military~civilian traffic and in the event of a rapid Nork advance on Seoul, to blow up the bridges to prevent them from being used by the enemy. Of course these days they basically serve as a place for whatever government agency is in the area for whatever reason (police, construction, etc.) to use it as a rest area to drink coffee, take a crap, and snooze on the government dollar. I'm guessing any explosives that may have once been held there are long since gone as the likelihood of the Norks launching that big of a surprise attack is far less than some 19 year old private accidentally blowing them up or some thieves stealing them.
Just goes to show how much military planning is taken into consideration when it comes to transportation. Commerce and politics are in the lead, but there is that military influence that demands certain things. Occasional big, wide roads approaching and along a major defensive line like the Han River are another. While they may not be aesthetically pleasing, they serve a vital secondary function.
Sister Ray might badmouth the big roads, but that tune would change when power gets knocked out to the subways and the rescue convoy evacuates you on the big wide road out of town that allows army trucks to drive around debris in the road. |
I don't think bridges have explosives in them to collapse them. I know for sure there are bridges north of Seoul that are essentially concrete barricades. I think they're designed so it's simple to collapse with explosives. It would delay advancing tanks for a couple of hours. |
No, the explosives were stored in that building/command post/Observation Post at the end of every bridge on the Han River that you'll occasionally see soldiers/police/construction guys come in and out of. Note the WERE. From what I've heard they don't do that anymore. Like I said, it's more likely some private would accidentally blow himself up than the Norks launching that kind of surprise attack these days, so they aren't there anymore. I don't know about any bridges north of the Han.
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| Busan sucks compared to Hartford? Really? Not sure about that one... |
I've never driven in Hartford, but Busan is a pain to get around in, whether by public transport or car. My least favorite city to drive in and the subways are old, dirty, and smell like a foot. Changwon-Masan and Daejeon are sorta okay for driving in my experience. Daegu wasn't too bad. But Busan just felt like utter anarchy and the drivers there made Seoul drivers seem paragons of order in comparison..
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Busan sucks compared to Hartford? Really? Not sure about that one... |
I've never driven in Hartford, but Busan is a pain to get around in, whether by public transport or car. My least favorite city to drive in and the subways are old, dirty, and smells like a foot. Changwon-Masan and Daejeon are sorta okay for driving in my experience. Daegu wasn't too bad. But Busan just felt like utter anarchy and the drivers there made Seoul drivers seem paragons of order in comparison.. |
I'm really confused as to why Hartford was even brought up. It's a tiny city with a tiny downtown core, and you're in and out in about twenty minutes even during rush hour (which people complain about incessantly). Anyone who has lived in an actual city laughs in the face of Hartford's supposed gridlock. |
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bucheon bum
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| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2015 10:16 am Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
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| Busan sucks compared to Hartford? Really? Not sure about that one... |
I've never driven in Hartford, but Busan is a pain to get around in, whether by public transport or car. My least favorite city to drive in and the subways are old, dirty, and smells like a foot. Changwon-Masan and Daejeon are sorta okay for driving in my experience. Daegu wasn't too bad. But Busan just felt like utter anarchy and the drivers there made Seoul drivers seem paragons of order in comparison.. |
I'm really confused as to why Hartford was even brought up. It's a tiny city with a tiny downtown core, and you're in and out in about twenty minutes even during rush hour (which people complain about incessantly). Anyone who has lived in an actual city laughs in the face of Hartford's supposed gridlock. |
Whoops, I forgot it was about just driving. Yeah, obviously driving in a small city would be better than driving in a city with millions of people in it... |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Fri Aug 07, 2015 6:16 pm Post subject: |
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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| Busan sucks compared to Hartford? Really? Not sure about that one... |
I've never driven in Hartford, but Busan is a pain to get around in, whether by public transport or car. My least favorite city to drive in and the subways are old, dirty, and smells like a foot. Changwon-Masan and Daejeon are sorta okay for driving in my experience. Daegu wasn't too bad. But Busan just felt like utter anarchy and the drivers there made Seoul drivers seem paragons of order in comparison.. |
I'm really confused as to why Hartford was even brought up. It's a tiny city with a tiny downtown core, and you're in and out in about twenty minutes even during rush hour (which people complain about incessantly). Anyone who has lived in an actual city laughs in the face of Hartford's supposed gridlock. |
Whoops, I forgot it was about just driving. Yeah, obviously driving in a small city would be better than driving in a city with millions of people in it... |
I definately like that the expressway runs through the middle of Saint John and does seem to through many US cities too. Wish more of the regional cities here had that. No expressways through the cities just on the outskirts. Going through any regional city here on weekends is annoying and takes a long time to get through. AS for Busan, I've never driven there, but I notice many expressways through Busan are only 4 lanes wide (2 lanes each way). It's the same for Saint John, except Saint John is much smaller than Busan and therefore less traffic.
My grandparents told me driving through Saint John and driving from Moncton to Shediac on the weekends were hell before they built the expressways. These were the first two in NB before others got built or expanded much later on.
In Seoul or Busan, they really need to expand those city expressways to more lanes and the other cities need to get some through them to reduce traffic. I doubt that will happen. |
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silkhighway
Joined: 24 Oct 2010
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| Posted: Sat Aug 08, 2015 9:08 am Post subject: |
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If you want more traffic and longer commutes, then build more expressways. Most cities realize this now, how silly it is using valuable city land on freeways, and the futility of trying to solve a cities congestion problem by building more roads for personal automobiles.
Canadian cities were mostly spared the US freeway building spree of the 50's and 60's, thankfully, and only because we were too incompetent at the time to get it done. By the time we were ready to build, the damage was already done to most American cities and the political will wasn't there anymore.
Seoul is one of the leaders in correcting their mistakes by tearing down aging freeways. Toronto is really conflicted about the waterfront East Gardiner expressway, with virtually all city planners and downtown councilors calling for it's removal, but no action on it yet because the conflicted suburban councilors are too afraid of backlash from their electorate.
Talking about congestion problems in the Canadian maritimes, is frankly, laughable, considering the population of the Atlantic provinces including Newfoundland doesn't even add up to Toronto's population,not even including the greater metro population which would triple that. I don't know much about Hartford, but surely the same applies in comparison to the major East Coast cities. |
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jvalmer
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| Posted: Sun Aug 09, 2015 12:46 am Post subject: |
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As silkhighway mentioned, the best you can do is try to encourage people to use public transit. Building more roads usually leads to more cars on it.
Something Asian cities do well is public transit, but Asia does have such large population densities that car traffice is usually horrendous. Unless you decide to go draconian, like Singapore, and put a huge tax on private cars. But in a full-sized country like Korea, I don't think that would go well with the population outside of metro Seoul. |
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