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Scorpion
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I don't get his obsession with the 'right turn'. They are violating almost every section and sub-section of the traffic code with complete immunity, but he oddly focuses on that one violation. Cars flying at high speed through busy intersections (against the light) on a wild left turn (without indicating) are what gives me the most concern. The lights have changed, you've got the walk signal, you start walking then suddenly, after a delay, three or four more cars suddenly come bolting around the intersection (they sped up to run the red light after their 'left turn' light had already expired) and are suddenly bearing down on you at speed on the crosswalk. You hadn't even seen them coming because cars across your road, although stopped, have moved so far ahead of the stop line that they've blocked your view of the intersection and all on-coming traffic. Or a car has parked on the crosswalk you are using and has fully or partially obstructed your view. It's madness. This is the kind of situation that scares the bejeezus out of me, and has undoubtedly led to a lot of casualties and deaths. The police do nothing, even when they are standing right there at the intersection watching it all happen.
Then, on top of this some clown comes flying around the corner on a right turn, without stopping, slowing down or indicating. You've stopped mid-cross because the idiot turning left is bearing down on you, and now you've a clown making his aggressive right turn to deal with behind you, too. If you step back to let one scofflaw pass, you're placing yourself in the sights of another. It's all profoundly selfish, stupid, anti-social, infuriating and illegal.
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| SR, your "back home" is not everyone's. I think it's good to keep that in mind |
This is true and I even applied it to my Korean driving observations noting that since I mostly drive in Sangam and Gayang, that those might not be the most representative examples and freely mentioned the terrible driving in Busan.
And it's also true that a BIG chunk of back home is filled with some serious problems that make those in Korea look like a cakewalk (not the traffic, talking about a "rude" culture). When one of your experiences in a corner store is walking in to a customer screaming at the guy behind the counter that "He's lucky he's got that bullet proof glass, otherwise I'd come over there and pistol whip you", line cutting ajumma becomes trivial in comparison. Spitting is nothing compared to the time my pastor was getting gas and the place happened to get robbed, the clerk was killed and the guy decided to fire a few at my pastor as he ran away. I'd take snot rockets and soup slurping and getting bumped into any day, and I certainly wouldn't utter phrases like "They need to learn basic human decency" in some condescending judgmental tone like some posters have (not you) when my back home has nonsense like that. There are parts of back home that are "advanced" and nice and pleasant. I could drop a Korean off in Rochester Hills or Bloomfield Hills and they'd think everything is advanced. Or I could drop them off in Wixom or Wayne and have a "meh" reaction. Or I could drop them off in Inkster or Adrian or Ypsilanti and they'd think the place was awful. The thing is in nice "Advanced" Rochester Hills, you also get pulled over simply for being black. So, its nice and wonderful for some people, and maybe not so advanced for others.
Anyways, do you think traffic varies by neighborhood or city in Korea? Do you feel there has been an improvement in the whole turning right and not bowling over pedestrians or cars running red lights? When I first started driving anyone who wanted to seemed to be up for running a red. Now it seems to be mostly taxis, delivery trucks, and scooters. |
You have lost sight of reality, man. YOUR back home is not MINE. A big chunk of Canada is nowhere near what you describe. Please stop asserting your "back home" onto others.
You want to know honest answers I presume, right? Yet when ppl do chime in with them, you toss them aside. Yes, ppl do sit on street corners and watch traffic - my FIL did it last trip. It happens. Not everyone goes home to get plastered. Again, please take yourself out of this for a minute and take the time to listen to what ppl are saying here.
Why do you constantly focus on right turns on reds? ppl are saying that's not the ONLY issue, yet you seem hell bent on making it so. The issue is traffic safety - and the focus of the past 10 or so pages seems to be crossing the street.
In the past week I've almost been hit numerous times. This is not "cars calmly coming my way at 5kph", this is cars swerving through pedestrian cross walks. Most of the time this happens to me on access streets or secondary streets. No, not those ones without any markings... legit streets where ppl are trying to come on/off a major street. I'll be crossing, and they're more concerned with moving forward.
But... maybe that doesn't happen where you live.... |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
Location: Earth, Solar System
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 7:49 pm Post subject: |
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You have lost sight of reality, man. YOUR back home is not MINE. A big chunk of Canada is nowhere near what you describe. Please stop asserting your "back home" onto others.
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Well, that's true, but it should be noted that a big chunk of Canada is pretty minuscule in terms of population the U.S. I mean, if you take the New York City Combined Statistical Area with its rude drivers, biker gangs assaulting motorists, and parking ticket racket, that's two thirds of the population right there. Throw in the LA CSA and you already exceed the population of Canada. Heck throw in Chicago, DC-Baltimore, The Bay, and Boston and you've got as many people as Australia, New Zealand, Ireland, and Scotland combined. Then there's about 100 more US cities that you are likely to see serious societal problems and then you have to get to all the rural trailer park areas. Yes, our back home is different, but my back home applies to a lot more people.
But this place where everyone is calm and polite, no one ever spits or pisses in an alley or elevator, the cops are reasonable, no gangs, no addicts doing addict nonsense, no guns, no bulletproof glass, no having to detach your stereo face, no loud parties, no people rolling around blasting stereos and loud music or fart can exhausts, no idiot pedestrians thinking they own the road, no bureaucratic incompetency and massive corruption, and so on, when I think of places like that back home, they're usually followed by the thought "Places where you get DWBd" or something out of Pleasantville. I mean, all the complaints about Korea, there's some sort of parallel or worse that I can recall of back home.
Like people who say "You can't go anywhere in Korea without X happening". And all I think is "At least you CAN go anywhere in Korea". There are significant parts of America, which constitute virtual no-go zones. Like, do I give a crap about snot rockets or slurped soup when I have to go pick up my coworker outside of a drug den off of Livernois just so he can go to work and I can get my day off? Like, are people seriously complaining about desk warming when I had to thank my lucky stars that on my day off was when someone decided to rob the store and stuff the closing manager and driver in the walk in freezer? Some of the stuff people complain about and their perception of how back home was is just so different than mine.
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| Yet when ppl do chime in with them, you toss them aside. Yes, ppl do sit on street corners and watch traffic - my FIL did it last trip. It happens. Not everyone goes home to get plastered. Again, please take yourself out of this for a minute |
I know what you're saying. Your father's story had the ring of truth to it. He's a first-timer and it was odd hours and odd circumstances. Smithington's had the ring of...exaggeration. If he had just said "When I go and grab a coffee, I never look up to the sound of screeching tires or honking horns and other driving fiascoes", fine. That's believable. But when you say "When I go back home, every morning I go to my coffee shop downtown and sit outside (in the middle of hot summer or cold winter) and watch traffic, remarking how orderly it is compared to Korea", that seriously doesn't set off BS detector alarms in your head? I'm not saying he's lying, but exaggerating to the point where I'm going to bust his balls a little over it is what I'd say. Like you'd seriously either have to be exaggerating or a little off in the head or the most boring guy in the world to go home and do something like that. I understand an older person in the country for the first time doing something like that, not someone back home once again doing it every morning. Taking 5 minutes to enjoy it, maybe.
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| Why do you constantly focus on right turns on reds? ppl are saying that's not the ONLY issue, yet you seem hell bent on making it so. |
I never said that was the only issue, but I brought it up to point out how things are getting better and people seemed to wholeheartedly reject it. You drive here. I'm sure you've noticed that it's improved. I mentioned that back on like, page 1 and Scorpion accused me of making it up. It went on from there.
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| In the past week I've almost been hit numerous times. |
Like I said, most of my walking is in HD or Itaewon or Sinchon or like around Gwanghwamun and stuff. Things might be different for me. But I don't get almost hit numerous times. If I was getting almost hit numerous times, the odds are that I should have been hit by now. I do know this, one my friends who I was walking through HD with accused virtually every other car of "almost hitting him" while everyone else (including many non-Koreans) were just going about without batting an eye. The times where I felt a car truly "almost hit me" have been relatively few. The times where a car made me go to "yellow alert" are much more numerous. That's as a pedestrian. As a driver, I would agree that you'll usually get at least one "red alert" per outing.
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| But... maybe that doesn't happen where you live.... |
That's why I kept mentioning I mostly drove in Sangam and how that it might not be the best standard to judge by. I wasn't as all-in on this as people think I was. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:08 pm Post subject: |
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As to your question - I have noticed some improvements in some areas... but very little. I've been here almost 15 years now, and the amount of times I've seen someone being pulled over is easy to count. It almost blew my mind when I saw a bus get pulled over a while back...
So, is that an improvement? I saw a bus get a ticket for running a red. I suppose that's an improvement, as I had never seen it before. But it's still something I see daily... so it doesn't seem all that changed. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 8:25 pm Post subject: |
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As to your question - I have noticed some improvements in some areas... but very little. I've been here almost 15 years now, and the amount of times I've seen someone being pulled over is easy to count. It almost blew my mind when I saw a bus get pulled over a while back...
So, is that an improvement? I saw a bus get a ticket for running a red. I suppose that's an improvement, as I had never seen it before. But it's still something I see daily... so it doesn't seem all that changed. |
I think the biggest improvement so far has been the drunk driving crackdown, coupled with the booming daeriunjeon service. I think Korea did good in having strict requirements, allowing employers to treat drunk drivers harshly if they choose, and not regulating the drunk driver service. If they did those measures back home, I might call them heavy-handed. Here, they seemed both stern and liberal at the same time.
One problem that could fix help is to fix some of the roads and such that contribute to problems. Often there are obstructions that block drivers' view so they have to pull out even further. I mentioned haphazardly placed traffic lights. And you also have things like lanes suddenly ending or turning into a left-turn lane instead of a straight away. Then you have other things like on ramps which have no acceleration lane. Bad driver behavior is the root cause, but these things certainly don't help as they pose a danger, even to safe drivers.
As far as bad behavior tendencies, I think the worst are the people who pull out while turning, right in front of you and you have to swerve or brake. Sometimes its accidental, other times it seems that the person just didn't care. The other thing is occasional boneheadedness. Like one time I was on a freeway onramp and the car in front of me decided to just come to a stop so the guy could get out and stretch. That was a fun one. I did enjoy the look of realization when it dawned on him when he realize how much of a moron he truly was. |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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As to your question - I have noticed some improvements in some areas... but very little. I've been here almost 15 years now, and the amount of times I've seen someone being pulled over is easy to count. It almost blew my mind when I saw a bus get pulled over a while back...
So, is that an improvement? I saw a bus get a ticket for running a red. I suppose that's an improvement, as I had never seen it before. But it's still something I see daily... so it doesn't seem all that changed. |
I think the biggest improvement so far has been the drunk driving crackdown, coupled with the booming daeriunjeon service. I think Korea did good in having strict requirements, allowing employers to treat drunk drivers harshly if they choose, and not regulating the drunk driver service. If they did those measures back home, I might call them heavy-handed. Here, they seemed both stern and liberal at the same time. |
Interesting. I'm pretty sure drunk driving penalties are harsher in Canada than here. As well, my home town has had drive-your-car-home service for probably 20 years now.
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| One problem that could fix help is to fix some of the roads and such that contribute to problems. Often there are obstructions that block drivers' view so they have to pull out even further. I mentioned haphazardly placed traffic lights. And you also have things like lanes suddenly ending or turning into a left-turn lane instead of a straight away. Then you have other things like on ramps which have no acceleration lane. Bad driver behavior is the root cause, but these things certainly don't help as they pose a danger, even to safe drivers. |
I agree with this. Bad signage. Bad intersection placement. Bad crosswalk placement. Bad road planning - they all add to it.
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| As far as bad behavior tendencies, I think the worst are the people who pull out while turning, right in front of you and you have to swerve or brake. Sometimes its accidental, other times it seems that the person just didn't care. The other thing is occasional boneheadedness. Like one time I was on a freeway onramp and the car in front of me decided to just come to a stop so the guy could get out and stretch. That was a fun one. I did enjoy the look of realization when it dawned on him when he realize how much of a moron he truly was. |
In a car, these things seem boneheaded. As a pedestrian, they seem far worse. I'm both here... and feel that the "oddities" drivers often do here are really dangerous for pedestrians. |
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Zyzyfer
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: who, what, where, when, why, how?
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| Posted: Mon Aug 24, 2015 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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You have lost sight of reality, man. YOUR back home is not MINE. A big chunk of Canada is nowhere near what you describe. Please stop asserting your "back home" onto others.
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Assertion by SteelRails of his "back home" onto others, including statement that his "back home", that being big city America, applies to more people so therefore...carries more weight as an argument, or something? |
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| But when you say "When I go back home, every morning I go to my coffee shop downtown and sit outside (in the middle of hot summer or cold winter) and watch traffic, remarking how orderly it is compared to Korea", that seriously doesn't set off BS detector alarms in your head? |
No, because this is a nonsensical message board on the Intertubes.
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| Why do you constantly focus on right turns on reds? ppl are saying that's not the ONLY issue, yet you seem hell bent on making it so. |
I never said that was the only issue, but I brought it up to point out how things are getting better and people seemed to wholeheartedly reject it. You drive here. I'm sure you've noticed that it's improved. I mentioned that back on like, page 1 and Scorpion accused me of making it up. It went on from there. |
It really hasn't. I've probably mentioned this before, but the police tried to crack down some months back on drivers blocking intersections. The plan was to hand out tickets and everything. At the big intersection that's between Samgakji and Hyochang Park stations, I saw a driver get out of his car and argue down a cop despite clearly blocking the intersection in an effort to get out of being given a ticket.
Was the offender successful? Alas, I wouldn't know, since there wasn't a coffee shop with a view on the corner where I could carry out my scientific observations.
This initiative was quickly dropped and the cops went back to manually directing traffic before too long. Which is a relatively recent development itself. And which has had zero impact, as things go right back to normal the moment the cops aren't around.
I could go on with other points about how drivers here have not improved their habits, but this should do for the time being.
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| Like I said, most of my walking is in HD or Itaewon or Sinchon or like around Gwanghwamun and stuff. Things might be different for me. |
It is, because those are high-density areas where traffic tends to be moving slowly regardless, and the worst that tends to happen is that a single driver will run a red because that's often all that there is room for.
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| The times where a car made me go to "yellow alert" are much more numerous. That's as a pedestrian. |
I have no idea what your "yellow alert" is, but do you think that anything other than an "all clear" should be considered acceptable in cities with high amounts of foot traffic, as a pedestrian?
Personally, I'm always on alert as a pedestrian, especially here, so having to go to a higher level of alert even somewhat regularly does not strike me as a positive.
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| As a driver, I would agree that you'll usually get at least one "red alert" per outing. |
Are "red alerts" as a driver under any conditions acceptable?
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| That's why I kept mentioning I mostly drove in Sangam and how that it might not be the best standard to judge by. |
I am not familiar with Sangam but I am familiar with Gangseo. Traffic there is better than, say, Gangdong (shudders at the thought of driving around Cheonho) or Samgakji, but I nevertheless do not find driving or walking around in the area to be particularly enjoyable because it still has its fair share of stupidity. I'd argue that it's a little better because traffic density is fairly high throughout the day.
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Anyway, my chief point behind even bothering to get involved in this thread, as it's always a losing proposition to mince words with you, is that you seem to be implying that, because I could get shot in big city US and that's highly unlikely here, that I should be OK with having to be on yellow alert numerous times per outing, and red alerts every time I drive here.
I don't get how these points of yours actually relate? Is it that danger lurks behind every corner, perhaps??? |
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Captain Corea
Joined: 28 Feb 2005
Location: Seoul
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But... you could get Ebola in Sierra Leone!! You should be happy to only get hit by a car here!!
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Who's Your Daddy?
Joined: 30 May 2010
Location: Victoria, Canada.
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| I have been back in Canada one year, and have only used my car horn once. |
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Smithington
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| But when you say "When I go back home, every morning I go to my coffee shop downtown and sit outside (in the middle of hot summer or cold winter) and watch traffic, remarking how orderly it is compared to Korea", that seriously doesn't set off BS detector alarms in your head? |
LOL. Now the clown has me sitting outside "every day...in the middle of winter" to watch the traffic.
But that's his motus operanti, isn't it. Instead of arguing against what a a poster actually wrote, he makes a caricature of it, spins it, then argues against that. It's the mark of a charlatan. And it gets real old, real fast. |
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jvalmer
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| my home town has had drive-your-car-home service for probably 20 years now. |
You mentioned you're from cowtown?
Well, they may have that service, but good luck trying to actually get service. You'll be waiting hours. Harder than getting a taxi in the burbs. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Tue Aug 25, 2015 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| But when you say "When I go back home, every morning I go to my coffee shop downtown and sit outside (in the middle of hot summer or cold winter) and watch traffic, remarking how orderly it is compared to Korea", that seriously doesn't set off BS detector alarms in your head? |
LOL. Now the clown has me sitting outside "every day...in the middle of winter" to watch the traffic.
But that's his motus operanti, isn't it. Instead of arguing against what a a poster actually wrote, he makes a caricature of it, spins it, then argues against that. It's the mark of a charlatan. And it gets real old, real fast. |
Like I said, I'm just busting your balls. You said you go home once a year. Most of us get vacation in August or like, January. That means blazing hot summer or cold winter. Now, I know you may go home some other time or that you might live in some nice area where its constantly pleasant weather with no rain to send you inside.
And what do you do at this coffee shop? Apparently sit by yourself and ogle women and observe the traffic for 30 minutes and appreciate how its better there than in Korea. No newspaper, no smartphone, no laptop, no one else, just you alone, staring at traffic and passing ladies.
I mean me personally, I can accept and get over the traffic difference in about 5 minutes. I don't need to spend every morning over a cup of coffee, nodding to myself and mentally congratulating the people of my country for being better drivers while vicariously using their behavior to puff up my own ego. But hey, that's just me. Whatever floats your boat.
Hey, I'm sure you have an image of me at some coffee shop, equally alone, remarking on how this driver failed to use their indicator so that makes it equivalent to some ajosshi pulling out in traffic and almost running two people over and me making a mental note of this for Dave's, while basking in the glow of acceptance from the fellow Han. So its all in good fun.
Now, if you can't see how elements of your story aren't a little, well, ripe for a good ribbing, then I don't know what to say. |
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Steelrails
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I have no idea what your "yellow alert" is, but do you think that anything other than an "all clear" should be considered acceptable in cities with high amounts of foot traffic, as a pedestrian?
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In a tight city like Korea, with side streets like it has, "yellow alerts" are going to be common. Drivers have obstructed views, pedestrians aren't perfect in their behavior. There are always distractions. A "yellow alert" doesn't cause any adrenaline surge or nervous responses, but it does make you observe things more closely.
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No one is ever 100% alert. The person who believes they are is the person who is setting themselves up for a problem because they believe in their infallibility. What you never get distracted by a pretty girl walking by or some ajumma doing something weird?
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They're a fact of life. If you don't want red alerts as a driver, don't drive. I had red alerts back home. I have them here. I have them more frequently here, but they're a fact of life. What am I going to do? Declare them unacceptable either here or back home and get super worked up about them? Just drive like a smooth executive driver, put on some chill tunes, and don't get worked up. Drive defensively.
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| Anyway, my chief point behind even bothering to get involved in this thread, as it's always a losing proposition to mince words with you, is that you seem to be implying that, because I could get shot in big city US and that's highly unlikely here, that I should be OK with having to be on yellow alert numerous times per outing, and red alerts every time I drive here. |
No, that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that calling Koreans "rude" or "selfish" instead of saying perhaps "traffic problems in Korea" is the problem. When you talk about rudeness or selfishness, you aren't talking about traffic, you've veered into something else. Then it's like "Well wait a minute, if you're going to say people here are rude because of their driving, I could say that our culture is rude because of our levels of random violence back home".
My first point was to talk about how things have improved (if only slightly, as you say) and that second, perceptions of driving here may vary based upon location. Another point was that I think people's perceptions of danger can sometimes be exaggerated or not have the same sense of proportion.
I've noticed that when I drive "tense", I tend to have a somewhat increased number of perceived close calls involving other drivers. When I drive "chill" I tend to regard to just kind of calmly wave dismissingly as the other car pulls in front of me and slow down and barely even notice or recall it or get worked up over it. Driving tense, you can have the same drive as driving chill, and when you're tense you'll recall 5 almost disasters and when you're driving chill you just pull up to your destination just enjoying some tunes. Something like Assertion vs. Adaptation. |
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Smithington
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| And what do you do at this coffee shop? Apparently sit by yourself and ogle women and observe the traffic for 30 minutes and appreciate how its better there than in Korea. No newspaper, no smartphone, no laptop, no one else, just you alone, staring at traffic and passing ladies. I mean me personally, I can accept and get over the traffic difference in about 5 minutes. I don't need to spend every morning over a cup of coffee. |
LOL. You're still doing it. You're adding new details to my coffee stop every time you post. Now I'm not just sitting outside "every morning" of my vacation for the sole purpose of observing traffic, but I do it for "thirty minutes" at a time in "both winter and summer." I never have a newspaper or smart phone, I'm always by myself, and exclusively watch the traffic and women. You just can't help making up details that don't exist, can you? Because, as everyone on Daves' knows, if any little detail about anything is left out by a poster (any poster) you feel free to fill that vacuum with any detail that comes into your twisted little mind.
Honestly, what's wrong with you dude?
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Steelrails
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And what do you do at this coffee shop? Apparently sit by yourself and ogle women and observe the traffic for 30 minutes and appreciate how its better there than in Korea. No newspaper, no smartphone, no laptop, no one else, just you alone, staring at traffic and passing ladies.
I mean me personally, I can accept and get over the traffic difference in about 5 minutes. I don't need to spend every morning over a cup of coffee, nodding to myself and mentally congratulating the people of my country for being better drivers while vicariously using their behavior to puff up my own ego. But hey, that's just me. Whatever floats your boat.
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LOL. You're still doing it. You're adding new details to my coffee stop every time you post. Now I'm not just sitting outside "every morning" of my vacation for the sole purpose of observing traffic, but I do it for "thirty minutes" at a time, in "both winter and summer." I never have a newspaper or smart phone, I'm always by myself, and exclusively watch the traffic and women.  You just can't help making up details that don't exist, can you? I wonder what other details you will concoct for your next post.
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Dude, you're taking this way too seriously and literally.
I know what you are actually doing is probably going in and grabbing a coffee, who knows what the weather is, maybe its nice, maybe its not. Maybe you'll read a book, maybe you have company with you, and you might glance for a few seconds at traffic and note that nothing is going on, unlike Korea.
But that's not what you wrote. You wrote this-
"I go home once a year at least and (because of my Korean experience) am very conscious of the driving culture back home. I will sit outside a coffee shop at a major intersection and watch the traffic. I see absolutely none of the lawlessness and insanity that I would see in Korea. "
"The traffic is not the only thing I observe. I observe families, interesting dogs, attractive women, trees, the interaction of people, etc. I also observe the traffic. "
Which is it? Are you sitting outside and watching the traffic? Or are you staring at strangers and women? You know, in western culture its rude to stare at people. I mean, the creepy single man on some bench staring at women should stay in Korea, don't bring that back home.
And because of all of this and your overwhelmingly arrogant and judgmental tone you repeatedly take towards Korean's I'm going to have some fun.
All you had to do was just say you never have to look up form your coffee because horns are blaring. Instead you tried to make this assertive story involving you and sitting outside a coffee shop and watching traffic while you drink your coffee and compare it to Korea, thinking this might make your observations sound more valid because you were so focused, but you did this without pausing to think that it might make you sound like a bit of an obsessive psychopath. For most of us, we might grasp the traffic difference during our drive from the airport or mull on it for 30 seconds in between bites of our breakfast. What we wouldn't do is sit outside a coffee shop and watch traffic and do this repeatedly, year after year, during our vacation home. |
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