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Guardian
Joined: 21 May 2015
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 Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:35 am Post subject: Paying for new teachers hotel - is this normal practise?? |
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So my year is up in my awful hagwon, and here's the situation as it stands.
Two weeks ago I told my boss I would move out on Sunday the 30th of August and that was agreed. All fine. Then on Thursday at 8pm they tell me I have to move out on the Saturday instead. With no notice like that I said I don't think that's possible, and a call to the new landlord and movers confirmed it. They couldn't change the move date and the guy would still be in the new apartment, so there would be no way I could move on Saturday instead of Sunday. I told my boss this today and they said since I'm staying "an extra day" I have to pay for the new teachers hotel fee.
I don't know if it's my stupid logical mind or something but if we agreed weeks ago that I would move out on Sunday, before the end of the month then I'm NOT staying an "extra" day! So how am I responsible for the new teachers hotel bill when my move out date was agreed two weeks before he even arrived? And especially since it was my employers that chose to bring him when they did and and also their choice to try to kick me out early?
So is this a normal thing that happens? Should I just pay it and move on or is this wrong?[/list] |
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greatunknown
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:43 am Post subject: |
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Yes, this is all very normal. Please understand your employers special situation. The new teacher will be very tired after travelling to Korea and your boss would like him/her to be well rested so they can teach monday morning. Also, since you are leaving you are worthless to them. To them your just an annoyance. In Korean culture making last minute changes, treating people like trash if you have no use for them, and blaming others for your mistakes are normal.
Your mistake was expecting them to be reasonable. |
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Coltronator
Joined: 04 Dec 2013
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:52 am Post subject: |
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| In this case your boss is in the wrong if you confirmed 30th and he switched on you. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Paying for new teachers hotel - is this normal practise? |
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| Guardian wrote: |
So is this a normal thing that happens? Should I just pay it and move on or is this wrong? |
You know this is wrong.
How much are we talking about for the hotel? Because if its about 100,000 won or less, I would just eat the loss and move along.
In any case, you should definitely refuse to pay without him providing you a receipt, and reserve your objection to the entire scheme. If he holds your money for payment, then you can be certain that he's doing something wrong, although because you are leaving there is likely nothing that you can do about it. |
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denverdeath
Joined: 21 May 2005
Location: Boo-sahn
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 3:42 am Post subject: |
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Ask them, nicely, to pay for the new teacher's motel...what is it? MAX 40, even in seoul, for a love motel? Tell them it's been VERY stressful trying to get everything packed up on time, and you are just following the arrangements that were made LONG ago. "Please understand me?!!!?"
MORE importantly, are you getting you severance, etc? If so, then maybe pay for the new bloke's place for Saturday night. MAX 40. |
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Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 4:38 am Post subject: |
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| In with the new and out with the old. It is common practice to get the leaving staff out of housing as soon as possible. An alternative to leaving earlier could be <MOD EDIT> |
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Keeper
Joined: 11 Jun 2012
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 6:15 am Post subject: |
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The school's I've worked at stated in the contract when you were expected to vacate the place. The contract I just signed says within 10 days before the contract ends which means zero extra days. It coincides with my set vacation so no problem. The last place I worked gave me two days to move. I asked them for an additional 3 days which they said OK to without incident.
If your contract says you have X amount of days to leave and they are cutting it short, then point to the contract. If not, ask for a receipt for the hotel room and verify the amount and then pay it. Yes, the person is showing he is dishonest. I would not be confrontational with the person and point it out to them though as they likely owe you money, may be a future reference, etc. |
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Pianote
Joined: 29 Apr 2015
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:17 pm Post subject: |
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| If your contract says you have X amount of days to leave and they are cutting it short, then point to the contract. |
I think this is good advice!
It is 'normal' for a lot of hagwon owners to just focus on profit and abandon any moral code.
I realize this is all happening very fast for you, but I would try to argue with them. I think people really need to insist on their rights and not be pushed around.
That being said, can you even trust these shysters to give you a good reference at this point? They are kicking you out early. |
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Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2015 7:34 pm Post subject: |
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| OP: they have a key, so ultimately, you cannot stop this mayhem from occurring. Be assured that on moving day, at 6am your door will be opened with key or axe if necessary, and you will be removed kicking and screaming by a mob. The police will do nothing in your defense if called. |
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Weigookin74
Joined: 26 Oct 2009
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:24 am Post subject: |
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| As soon as you move into a new apartment, change the locks on the door. So, you get no unexpected visits or landlords sneaking into your place when you are not there or also there. Too late for you, but a word to others for the future. |
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Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
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| Posted: Sun Aug 30, 2015 2:41 am Post subject: |
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| Weigookin74 wrote: |
| As soon as you move into a new apartment, change the locks on the door. |
This. Precisely what I have done in the past as well. I second Weigookin74. |
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Guardian
Joined: 21 May 2015
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:33 am Post subject: |
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| Well I have a whole other set of problems now. I didn't get my severance and the worst part is they haven't paid me my last payment. They gave me the paper that says they did, and they didn't. I needed that money for my deposit and my boss promised me i would have it on my last day. If it wasn't for my friend k would be homeless right now. It's coming on 5 days later and I still haven't gotten paid for my last month of work. |
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greatunknown
Joined: 04 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 7:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Guardian wrote: |
| Well I have a whole other set of problems now. I didn't get my severance and the worst part is they haven't paid me my last payment. They gave me the paper that says they did, and they didn't. I needed that money for my deposit and my boss promised me i would have it on my last day. If it wasn't for my friend k would be homeless right now. It's coming on 5 days later and I still haven't gotten paid for my last month of work. |
Damn! Well, use your best judgement but if ot was me I'd march on down there and I wouldnt leave until I had been paid. But, I wouldnt accuse them of anything. I'd be all like "I am so worried that the bank made a mistake! I havent been sleeping it is so stressfull. I have no money for food. The bank said you should call. I know your busy but this is very important. Blah lah blah"
Save the fighting words for when your sure they will be needed |
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Fallacy
Joined: 29 Jun 2015
Location: ex-ROK
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| Posted: Mon Aug 31, 2015 10:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Guardian wrote: |
| Well I have a whole other set of problems now. I didn't get my severance and the worst part is they haven't paid me my last payment. They gave me the paper that says they did, and they didn't. I needed that money for my deposit and my boss promised me i would have it on my last day. If it wasn't for my friend k would be homeless right now. It's coming on 5 days later and I still haven't gotten paid for my last month of work. |
Assuming you are out of the apartment, go first to your bank. Give them "the paper" and have them track down the payment. If that turns up nothing, then continue onward and contact the tax, health and pension offices, showing them "the paper" in turn. Have all 4 outside parties contact the employer directly to make independent inquiries and seek verification or confirmation. I assure you that this barrage offensive will have the desired effect, because the employer will be informed of the consequences by each party, and given an ultimatum. Keep up the pressure until your bank account is filled. The final step would be going to the labor board to file a grievance, but hopefully that will not be required. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Tue Sep 01, 2015 12:36 am Post subject: |
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| Guardian wrote: |
| Well I have a whole other set of problems now. I didn't get my severance and the worst part is they haven't paid me my last payment. They gave me the paper that says they did, and they didn't. I needed that money for my deposit and my boss promised me i would have it on my last day. If it wasn't for my friend k would be homeless right now. It's coming on 5 days later and I still haven't gotten paid for my last month of work. |
That sucks, man. My sympathies.
I recommend that you dual track this ... which means that you negotiate at the same time that you assert your legal rights. This is not only a good idea, but doing both at once will make you feel more secure as you negotiate, and it will make you feel more optimistic as you file a claim.
One the one hand, be very nice to your boss and persistent in your requests for payment. This approach is as good as any:
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Well, use your best judgement but if ot was me I'd march on down there and I wouldnt leave until I had been paid. But, I wouldnt accuse them of anything. I'd be all like "I am so worried that the bank made a mistake! I havent been sleeping it is so stressfull. I have no money for food. The bank said you should call. I know your busy but this is very important. Blah lah blah"
Save the fighting words for when your sure they will be needed |
On the other hand, go ahead and begin the legal processes to assert your claim and preserve your complaints. |
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