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catman
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 Posted: Wed Sep 02, 2015 6:37 pm Post subject: |
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U.S. President Barack Obama secured a landmark foreign policy victory Wednesday as Democrats amassed enough votes to ensure the Iran nuclear deal survives in Congress, despite ferocious opposition from Republicans and Israel's government.
The backing from Democratic Sen. Barbara Mikulski gives supporters of the agreement the crucial 34th vote in the 100-member chamber they need to uphold an Obama veto of a congressional resolution of disapproval if Republicans pass such a measure later this month.
And it spells failure for opponents of the international agreement who sought to foil it by turning Congress against it. Leading that effort were Israel and its allies in the U.S., who failed to get traction after spending millions of dollars trying.
The agreement signed by Iran, the U.S. and five other world powers limits Iran's nuclear program in exchange for hundreds of billions of dollars in relief from international sanctions. Republicans and Israeli officials contend that concessions made to Iran could enable the country to wreak havoc throughout the Middle East.
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who had personally lobbied U.S. lawmakers to block the nuclear pact, will continue fighting the agreement, an Israeli official said.
Marshall Wittmann, spokesman for the pro-Israel lobby AIPAC, said his group also would continue rallying opposition to the nuclear agreement.
Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, a Republican, grudgingly acknowledged that his side would not be able to block the deal after Obama, in his words, secured "the tepid, restricted and partisan support of one-third of one house of Congress." McConnell spared the accord no criticism, saying it leaves Iran "with a threshold nuclear capability."
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So I guess the next major hurdle for the deal is the 2016 Presidential Election. Outside of Rand Paul all the Republicans have said they would scrap the deal. |
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Chaparrastique
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| Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:27 am Post subject: |
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| Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb for no other reason than as an insurance policy against land invasion. |
Iran has been an aggressor to other nations. Sponsoring militant organizations to attack free countries. They have been a wellspring of war and destabilisation to all.
What makes you sure that when they get their nuke, they will suddenly reverese the millennia-old pattern of Islamic religious governments and become well-behaved global citizens?
They're all about Islamic expansionism. Expansionism via jihad is a central tenet of islam, it is the age-old pattern by which muslims have swallowed country after country. Jihad is divided into many elements, one is deception. They will do whatever it takes to make you think they are a benign force. They're not trying to be your friend, their goal is to force the entire world to become muslim. |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Chaparrastique wrote: |
| SiriusBlack wrote: |
| Iran is trying to build a nuclear bomb for no other reason than as an insurance policy against land invasion. |
Iran has been an aggressor to other nations. Sponsoring militant organizations to attack free countries. They have been a wellspring of war and destabilisation to all.
What makes you sure that when they get their nuke, they will suddenly reverese the millennia-old pattern of Islamic religious governments and become well-behaved global citizens?
They're all about Islamic expansionism. Expansionism via jihad is a central tenet of islam, it is the age-old pattern by which muslims have swallowed country after country. Jihad is divided into many elements, one is deception. They will do whatever it takes to make you think they are a benign force. They're not trying to be your friend, their goal is to force the entire world to become muslim. |
Iran hasn't invaded another country since 1785. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Sun Sep 13, 2015 11:12 pm Post subject: |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/world/iran-terrorism-timeline/
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Iran had been the preeminent state sponsor of terrorism against United States interests for decades. Throughout the 1990s – at least – Iran regarded al Qaeda as a useful tool to destabilize U.S. interests. As discussed in detail below, the government of Iran aided, abetted and conspired with Hezbollah, Osama bin Laden, and al Qaeda to launch large-scale bombing attacks against the United States by utilizing the sophisticated delivery mechanism of powerful suicide truck bombs. Hezbollah, a terrorist organization based principally in Lebanon, had utilized this type of bomb in the devastating 1983 attacks on the U.S. embassy and Marine barracks in Beirut, Lebanon. Prior to their meetings with Iranian officials and agents, Bin Laden and al Qaeda did not possess the technical expertise required to carry out the embassy bombings in Nairobi and Dar es Salaam. The Iranian defendants, through Hezbollah, provided explosives training to Bin Laden and al Qaeda and rendered direct assistance to al Qaeda operatives. Hence, for the reasons discussed below the Iranian defendants provided material aid and support to al Qaeda for the 1998 embassy bombings and are liable for damages suffered by the plaintiffs.
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http://defence.pk/threads/iran-taught-bomb-making-to-al-qaeda.145060/#ixzz3liGWzO9M |
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catman
Joined: 18 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 6:22 pm Post subject: |
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| I could also put up a dirty laundry list of US deeds that should make them ineligible to harness nuclear power. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 3:36 am Post subject: |
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| catman wrote: |
| I could also put up a dirty laundry list of US deeds that should make them ineligible to harness nuclear power. |
The LA police department has killed innocent people before, it doesnt make them Ted Bundy the serial killer.
Your argument is nearly the same as that of
North korea. the USSR. ISI S , the KKK and is equally flawed . At any rate the cold war was defensive and so was the war on terror. Irans revolution is offensive. Their long term goal is sort of similar to that of Al Qaida. Not exactly but similar enough They eant to conquer the mid east no?
Maybe move on from there one day.
They are not as crazy as Al Qaida but the heart of their government leaders is in the same place. Why did you have the need to whitewash them?
Anyway we cleared up the part about Irans goverment being peaceful.
That being said the US ought to go ahead with the nuclear deal anyway. Because of fracking Iran just isnt so important or potentialy powerful / dangerous in the world anymore. |
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catman
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 5:37 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not whitewashing them anymore than you are the US.
Look. Iran has good relations with Russia. A country that is at war with its only Islamic insurgence. It can be reasoned with. It is fighting ISIS for god's sake. |
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GENO123
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| Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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Again the cold war and the war against terror were justfied . Iran's revolution not so much different than what the goals of Al Qadia are. As i said i think the US ought to approve the deal mainly because Iran is not going to be all that powerful thanks to fracking.
But lets have no illusuons about Irans govt
You want to bring up bad stuff the US has done go right ahead but if you do i will bring up every bad thing that every opponent of the US has done. I think i will win easily if it comes to that. I think i can demonize them worse than you can demonize the US. But you are welcome to try.
Anyway the us has the legal right to frack as much oil as they want. Pass the nuclear deal but no concessions to Iran. Dont hack them. to death - frack them to death |
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