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oatmeal



Joined: 26 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 3:52 pm    Post subject: Rural town Parking Reply with quote

Does anyone know the general rule for parking, especially in rural towns?
I've been here for 5 years and owned a car for just a little over 1.5 years (same rural town). I've been told that I could pretty much park anywhere as long as there was no sign that says no parking or private property etc. I've parked usually in the local grocery (something something Mart), near the back to avoid taking up spots for actual customers near the front. I see cars parked there all the time who are not shopping at the marts. I've done this for about 18 months and never once received some kind of warning or notice.

This morning I got this little white sign on my windshield that reads this:

"주차통제: 장기주차를 통제합니다. 협조 부탁드립니다."

I used the google translator and it says something about watch or control my long-term parking, thank you for your cooperation.

Now, I'm assuming they mean overnight parking since that is what I do. I live like 2 minutes across from the mart. My one room building doesn't have any parking space for the renters. I was told I could just park anywhere in the town.

Does this warning or notice hold any weight? I know that Korea is notorious for not enforcing traffic laws. People park all over the place, on sidewalks, in the middle of the road, on curbs, on crosswalks, in front of doors, on lawns, on children's playgrounds etc. I'm just wondering if it's something I should be threatened by and move my car from now on or just ignore it until they warn me again (if they even do at all). Can they tow my car without notifying me because they already gave me one notice?

Btw, the lot is huge, it's almost NEVER filled up, usually I see it only filled up to about 40-50% of it's capacity. There's about 50 or 60 spaces, and this town almost never has that many people shopping anyways at once. A lot of people park there all the time. Actually, I found that it's quite empty overnight but first thing in the morning, it's near full because I think people park there when they go to work in the town.
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Steelrails



Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some have alternate side parking, others tie parking to residency. Also, some might have parking zones where an old guy hands you a slip while you are parked there. Lastly, there may be certain areas that are not zoned for parking. I really can't tell you more without a photo of the area. Best guess is to ask around. The police might be able to help you out and explain it.
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Fox



Joined: 04 Mar 2009

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 5:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oatmeal wrote:
I see cars parked there all the time who are not shopping at the marts.


But do the cars sit there for 12+ hours at a time? Lots of businesses are reasonably tolerant about people using their parking lot for other purposes within limits, and that's generous of them, but parking at some store and goingto run an errand for an hour is quite a bit different than leaving your car there, say, from 6 pm to 8 am every single day.

oatmeal wrote:
Can they tow my car without notifying me because they already gave me one notice?


I don't know the specifics, but even if they can't, they've made it clear they don't want you using their private property as your own personal parking lot, so would you really push it to the point where they end up having to call the police and filing a complaint about it? There is going to be some recourse available to them, and whatever it is, you're probably not going to like being on the other side of it. They cared enough to leave a note once, ignoring it until they care to do more than just leave a note probably isn't the best approach.

I completely understand your frustrations about small-town parking, though.
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Fallacy



Joined: 29 Jun 2015
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 6:06 pm    Post subject: RE: Rural town Parking Reply with quote

In the past month, I have noticed more frequent police presence at intersections, seen more pullovers for moving violations on the side of roads, and parking citations issued by cameras fixed or roving atop specialty cars. A colleague had several of those stickers on the windshield that you mention, followed by the disappearance of the car. The towing company left a sticker on the curb with impound location and telephone contact information. Could there be a nationwide crackdown on traffic infractions underway? Regional? Or just temporary?
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oatmeal



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmm, it would be good to hear more about it. But when I read the translation, it didn't say anything about not being allowed to park there or being illegal, or even that they would tow it. It sounds more like they just wanted me to control my long-term parking. Yes, I park there from when I get home at 5pm until the next morning I leave for work at 8am.

The problem is that all the rules seem to be so arbitrary, I can never tell if they are serious or not. As I said, the lot is never FULL. I'm a local who lives in that town and shops at that mart, and I don't understand why they would give me a notice now after having done it for the past several months. The notice itself doesn't even say anything about consequences. If they could just tell me that they don't want me to park there, that's different. It's like they are saying I can park there as long as it's not too much but without defining what exactly constitutes too much in their minds. It's so arbitrary.

I just don't get it because if anyone has ever lived in a small rural town, you know how lackadaisical everything is. If they ran out of spaces for their customers, I can understand, but in a case where everyone uses their lot for parking both long-term and short, and they have enough space for customers (as I said, it's never full), I'm not sure what they are saying now. Maybe if I shop their more it would help??? I used to park at another mart and did so for 1 year and never had any notices or warnings about leaving my car parked there in the back or side. The only reason why I don't park there now is because they underwent construction. Once construction finishes, maybe I'll just go back and park there again.

All I'm saying is that it would help if they could actually post something definite. If they clearly post that no overnight parking is permitted, I wouldn't park there. If they say something like maximum 6 hours parking, I would abide by those rules. But since they don't ever do anything like that in small towns, I have no idea how serious they are or maybe they aren't serious at all. Everyone parks everywhere for whatever amount of time as long as it's not causing any problems to anyone. That seemed to be the accepted rule or culture. Now I'm just confused. I guess I'll have to talk to someone to make sure. I seriously don't want them to tow or touch my car without telling me. This notice to me doesn't suffice as a warning that they will tow my car one day. If it's supposed to be, then they should have clearly written on it that my car could be towed at owner's expense. Instead, the message seemed to be a very friendly nudge that just says for me to control my long-term parking and they thanked me for my cooperation.
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Fox



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

oatmeal wrote:
Hmm, it would be good to hear more about it. But when I read the translation, it didn't say anything about not being allowed to park there or being illegal, or even that they would tow it. It sounds more like they just wanted me to control my long-term parking.


"주차통제: 장기주차를 통제합니다. 협조 부탁드립니다," does not mean control your parking; this is not a situation in which to trust Google translator. It means long-term parking is controlled (restricted) there by them, and they're asking for your cooperation, which is to say, please stop leaving your car there as you've been doing.

oatmeal wrote:
The problem is that all the rules seem to be so arbitrary, I can never tell if they are serious or not.


That's true. Many Koreans push the rules with the expectation that they can appeal to the other party's humanity and escape consequence, and often they are right, which creates an atmosphere where rule enforcement is to some extent arbitrary. In fact, this might be part of why they let it slide for so long. Alternatively, there could just be a new manager at the store who isn't willing to overlook what the previous fellow did, who knows? What's clear is that someone has decided to speak up about it, and if you don't address it somehow -- either by changing your parking habits or at least by approaching the store management and asking if you couldn't possibly work something out -- you are taking a risk. Sure, they didn't outright say, "Stop leaving your car here or else we'll tow it," but I doubt they're legally obliged to do that either. If there's anything legal requirements at all, letting someone know, "Hey, you aren't supposed to be doing this," would quite possibly be enough.

In any case, I don't want to come off as pestering you here. If knowing what you know you think it's worth risking being towed, a police complaint, or the like, that's up to you. It might never come to that.
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jvalmer



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just find another spot. You might even find a sweet spot a tad bit closer.
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oatmeal



Joined: 26 Nov 2013

PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fox wrote:
oatmeal wrote:
Hmm, it would be good to hear more about it. But when I read the translation, it didn't say anything about not being allowed to park there or being illegal, or even that they would tow it. It sounds more like they just wanted me to control my long-term parking.


"주차통제: 장기주차를 통제합니다. 협조 부탁드립니다," does not mean control your parking; this is not a situation in which to trust Google translator. It means long-term parking is controlled (restricted) there by them, and they're asking for your cooperation, which is to say, please stop leaving your car there as you've been doing.

oatmeal wrote:
The problem is that all the rules seem to be so arbitrary, I can never tell if they are serious or not.


That's true. Many Koreans push the rules with the expectation that they can appeal to the other party's humanity and escape consequence, and often they are right, which creates an atmosphere where rule enforcement is to some extent arbitrary. In fact, this might be part of why they let it slide for so long. Alternatively, there could just be a new manager at the store who isn't willing to overlook what the previous fellow did, who knows? What's clear is that someone has decided to speak up about it, and if you don't address it somehow -- either by changing your parking habits or at least by approaching the store management and asking if you couldn't possibly work something out -- you are taking a risk. Sure, they didn't outright say, "Stop leaving your car here or else we'll tow it," but I doubt they're legally obliged to do that either. If there's anything legal requirements at all, letting someone know, "Hey, you aren't supposed to be doing this," would quite possibly be enough.

In any case, I don't want to come off as pestering you here. If knowing what you know you think it's worth risking being towed, a police complaint, or the like, that's up to you. It might never come to that.



Thanks, this was a good response. That's why I was asking someone to translate it for me since google wasn't probably that accurate. I had once parked my car in another lot, and with no warning or notice, someone had thrown a rock and shattered the entire rear windshield of my car. To get it fixed plus redo the tinting, it cost me 250 dollars (and I couldn't even get the same tinting color because it was a rare one). Ever since then, I'm extremely angered by the parking issue because if someone doesn't want me to park wherever I park, just tell me. There's no need to damage my car or do shit to it. The problem with the small town culture is that if you look around, everyone is parking everywhere, anytime, and so it just gets frustrating as to what the heck the rules for parking are.

I will have to go back to my usual routine then of just parking there from 5pm to about 9pm and then move my car back to my one room sidewalk at night. I don't like leaving the car there because so many trucks, buses, and people pass by and I often find my car either scratched up, or the alarm gets set off in the middle of the night and it's just unsettling leaving there. I, don't understand why there's no where to park, but they keep building more buildings, and then treat us like criminals because we are parking our cars. I know I can't win this issue because ultimately it's their property and their word is final. But the thing that really gets me now is the other 20 or 30 cars that are parked there all the time, too. A couple other cars did have the notice paper on their windshield too, so at least I wasn't the only one, but I guess I'm going to have to tattle tail on someone else if I see a car parked their overnight. Every night there are cars parked their overnight. It's a small small town. The lot is never near full capacity at anytime.

So, tonight, when I check the parking lot, if I see some cars there past midnight, should I assume those cars are all just temporarily parked there or overnighters? Maybe I should take a picture and show you how many cars are parked overnight there and will continue to be long after I've stopped.
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oatmeal



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PostPosted: Sun Sep 20, 2015 10:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

jvalmer wrote:
Just find another spot. You might even find a sweet spot a tad bit closer.


Thanks for your positive attitude. I agree with you. I might be able to find another spot, hopefully. But I will still park there during the day-time. I think it's just overnight they don't want me parked there.
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