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Rteacher
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CentralCali
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| Nothing proves his motive. The dude was not rational. Irrational people do not need rational bases to do irrational things. |
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Swartz
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| Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, he singled out Christians. Since the 1960s (and before) mainstream western culture has socialized many young people into believing that Christianity is rooted in evil and intellectually backwards, which has caused many to rebel against it (though in reality, this is just a distractive measure). In my younger days, when I was more skewed by that kind of top-down propaganda, I fell into that line of thinking that to be a Christian was to be backwards and stupid. I’m not a Christian, and though I think it often does more harm than good at the societal level, I can certainly appreciate its ability to ground people and promote virtues that are exceedingly lacking in modern western culture. Hence why it is constantly attacked.
What this incident and the multitude of others highlight is the endemic sickness of contemporary western culture, our acceptance of industry-approved psychotropic drug use among youth, divisive media-induced race-baiting, the collapse of family structures and social cohesion, and our inability to dismantle the system that created such pervasive dysfunction. There has been a system in place for the last 50 years or so which created these conditions, and it has finally come to a head. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:54 am Post subject: |
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Yes, he singled out Christians. Since the 1960s (and before) mainstream western culture has socialized many young people into believing that Christianity is rooted in evil and intellectually backwards, which has caused many to rebel against it (though in reality, this is just a distractive measure). In my younger days, when I was more skewed by that kind of top-down propaganda, I fell into that line of thinking that to be a Christian was to be backwards and stupid. I’m not a Christian, and though I think it often does more harm than good at the societal level, I can certainly appreciate its ability to ground people and promote virtues that are exceedingly lacking in modern western culture. Hence why it is constantly attacked.
What this incident and the multitude of others highlight is the endemic sickness of contemporary western culture, our acceptance of industry-approved psychotropic drug use among youth, divisive media-induced race-baiting, the collapse of family structures and social cohesion, and our inability to dismantle the system that created such pervasive dysfunction. There has been a system in place for the last 50 years or so which created these conditions, and it has finally come to a head. |
So much text, yet misses the completely obvious point. Also, the idea that Christianity is under attack in this country is absurd. It used to have much more influence/control over society, and now people are viewing the loss of that influence as an attack punctuated by sporadic attacks against Christians like this one that also happen against other groups. |
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Swartz
Joined: 19 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
Yes, he singled out Christians. Since the 1960s (and before) mainstream western culture has socialized many young people into believing that Christianity is rooted in evil and intellectually backwards, which has caused many to rebel against it (though in reality, this is just a distractive measure). In my younger days, when I was more skewed by that kind of top-down propaganda, I fell into that line of thinking that to be a Christian was to be backwards and stupid. I’m not a Christian, and though I think it often does more harm than good at the societal level, I can certainly appreciate its ability to ground people and promote virtues that are exceedingly lacking in modern western culture. Hence why it is constantly attacked.
What this incident and the multitude of others highlight is the endemic sickness of contemporary western culture, our acceptance of industry-approved psychotropic drug use among youth, divisive media-induced race-baiting, the collapse of family structures and social cohesion, and our inability to dismantle the system that created such pervasive dysfunction. There has been a system in place for the last 50 years or so which created these conditions, and it has finally come to a head. |
So much text, yet misses the completely obvious point. Also, the idea that Christianity is under attack in this country is absurd. It used to have much more influence/control over society, and now people are viewing the loss of that influence as an attack punctuated by sporadic attacks against Christians like this one that also happen against other groups. |
Leon, it seems that in your rush to oppose me and rebalance the (typically depreciated) logical equilibrium on here, you failed to make a coherent statement.
1) Was the “completely obvious point” I missed that attacks like this “also happen against other groups” or was it something else? Either way, consider revising.
2) If it is absurd that Christianity’s “loss of influence” could be a result of it having been attacked (read: not “under attack”, though bonus points for the dramatic spin), presenting an alternative theory will help you with future argumentation; i.e., you might explain to your audience the chance, virtuous rise of atheistic humanism in its place. Again, not a Christian myself and I have my own theories, but wanted to give you a second opportunity to clarify your statements before proceeding.
Perhaps you would like to try again? |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 4:47 pm Post subject: |
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What this incident and the multitude of others highlight is the endemic sickness of contemporary western culture, our acceptance of industry-approved psychotropic drug use among youth, divisive media-induced race-baiting, the collapse of family structures and social cohesion, and our inability to dismantle the system that created such pervasive dysfunction. There has been a system in place for the last 50 years or so which created these conditions, and it has finally come to a head.
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It seems Swartz continues to point out the obvious, but, per regulation, very few here seem to acknowledge. |
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actionjackson
Joined: 30 Dec 2007
Location: Any place I'm at
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| Posted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 5:39 pm Post subject: |
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An account from someone in the room seems to think it wasn't about targeting Christians at all.
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McGowan told family members that the gunman didn't specifically target Christians but asked them about faith. The shooter, apparently planning to die during the massacre, told students: "I'll see you soon" or "I'll meet you soon."
"The shooter would call a person: 'You, stand up,'" Salas said, recalling what her son told her. "And then he would ask them if they were a Christian, knew God, or had religion. And it wasn't like it was stated on TV. It wasn't about that he was just trying to pinpoint Christians, no."
The shooter would tell them it wouldn't hurt.
"And then he would shoot them," she said.
The gunman deliberately picked some people to shoot, but also sprayed bullets randomly, he told his mother. |
http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-northwest-news/index.ssf/2015/10/gunman_in_oregon_college_shoot.html |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 2:05 pm Post subject: |
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| Swartz wrote: |
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Yes, he singled out Christians. Since the 1960s (and before) mainstream western culture has socialized many young people into believing that Christianity is rooted in evil and intellectually backwards, which has caused many to rebel against it (though in reality, this is just a distractive measure). In my younger days, when I was more skewed by that kind of top-down propaganda, I fell into that line of thinking that to be a Christian was to be backwards and stupid. I’m not a Christian, and though I think it often does more harm than good at the societal level, I can certainly appreciate its ability to ground people and promote virtues that are exceedingly lacking in modern western culture. Hence why it is constantly attacked.
What this incident and the multitude of others highlight is the endemic sickness of contemporary western culture, our acceptance of industry-approved psychotropic drug use among youth, divisive media-induced race-baiting, the collapse of family structures and social cohesion, and our inability to dismantle the system that created such pervasive dysfunction. There has been a system in place for the last 50 years or so which created these conditions, and it has finally come to a head. |
So much text, yet misses the completely obvious point. Also, the idea that Christianity is under attack in this country is absurd. It used to have much more influence/control over society, and now people are viewing the loss of that influence as an attack punctuated by sporadic attacks against Christians like this one that also happen against other groups. |
Leon, it seems that in your rush to oppose me and rebalance the (typically depreciated) logical equilibrium on here, you failed to make a coherent statement.
1) Was the “completely obvious point” I missed that attacks like this “also happen against other groups” or was it something else? Either way, consider revising.
2) If it is absurd that Christianity’s “loss of influence” could be a result of it having been attacked (read: not “under attack”, though bonus points for the dramatic spin), presenting an alternative theory will help you with future argumentation; i.e., you might explain to your audience the chance, virtuous rise of atheistic humanism in its place. Again, not a Christian myself and I have my own theories, but wanted to give you a second opportunity to clarify your statements before proceeding.
Perhaps you would like to try again? |
Trust me, I am not worried about opposing or rebalancing you. Since you still are missing the point, I will lead you there. Do other countries have mental illnesses an prescribe guns? Do other western countries have changing family structures and social norms? Do other western countries have very liberal gun laws? Do other western countries have mass shooting events of the scale and frequency that we do?
As to Christianity, there are ebs and flows to it, but it still maintains massive influence. Social groups almost always react poorly to losing power, so this is where this paranoia and defensiveness stems from, I guess. |
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Swartz
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