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Leon
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 Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 5:01 pm Post subject: |
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England was arguably once the greatest nation on earth, but from the postwar period onwards it has been turned into a socialist backwater of cultural Marxism. Its high-brow culture has morphed into something that now appeals to the lowest common denominator and the people have been indoctrinated to the hilt by leftism since they are offered no alternative; and that’s the root of the problem--globalist/communist leadership empowered through liberal ideology. The middle class is practically nonexistent, it has been turned into a welfare state dependent on the NHS which imports unqualified labor instead of growing its own, it’s inundated with political correctness of the worst kind, the family has been ripped apart, native Britons are viewed as the enemy by their own government, and their culture has been eroded to accommodate what is turning out to be a multicultural nightmare. Many young people abandon the UK because they see little hope for the future. The civic pride of the average citizen has been crushed. This why “Asian” rape gangs are able to pick off thousands of young White girls, pimp them out, and get away with it for years because the authorities would rather cover it up than be labeled “racist.” The families blame themselves and are afraid to speak out, so it happens again and again. England/the UK in general is perhaps the best example we have of cultural sickness and suicide at the hands of liberalism as presided over by nation-destroying global communists. Decent synopsis of it here:
http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/britain-abolishes-itself/
David Cameron’s concept of Britain’s enemy:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/british-pm-david-cameron-non-violent-extremists-including-911-truthers-and-conspiracy-theorists-are-just-as-dangerous-as-isil-terrorists/5405059
They’re too polite, proper, and brainwashed to deal with the radical changes and fecund third world throngs that are going to plunder that island in the coming decades. They probably don’t stand a chance in the long run, I think Sweden has better odds.
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| it is not like white people have not been involved in this activity, for example in Britain there were at least one famous British performer whose name I have forgotten who had a long history of it who just came out |
Not sure who you are referring to above, but if you’re talking about the most recent scandal concerning Lord Janner, he is Jewish, not White. |
I googled him, and he looks plenty white to me, but no it turns out that I was referring to Jimmy Savile, although it seems that revelation was not as recent as I thought.
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| Russia would be more culturally broken than the UK with its high rates of alcoholism and deaths caused by alcohol and hard drugs. |
It’s correct that Russia has been horribly afflicted with alcohol related social ills in the recent past. However, it is important to note that Russia has also made a concerted effort under Putin to repair the damage that was done under communism, which was the source for most of that. It’s early on in the process but this move to return Russia to its traditional heritage, focus on family formation, its orthodox roots, etc., is why Putin is so beloved. The life expectancy of Russian men has increased from 58 to over 65 in the last ten years. And it is now the West who suffers more from these kinds of social ills, as a recent study of working class American males showed.
http://www.unz.com/akarlin/soviet-fishtown/?highlight=russia+alcoholism
Again, not that difficult to figure out why this has happened. It’s plainly obvious. You destroy national identity by promoting degeneracy, facilitating the breakdown of families, and importing foreigners who use up the resources of native citizens and exploit the system. It will destroy itself in time without much force if there are enough Kuros' around.
I’m not seeing the connection you’re making with your other examples. Greece is a mess for its own reasons that are primarily economic and can be blamed (FTMP) on corrupt elites and international bankers (same people, surprise). The Ukraine was overthrown and sent into chaos BY dual-citizen oligarchs and our own corrupt dual-citizen American leadership (same people, again). And the separatist issue with Spain is pretty irrelevant AFAICT.
The connection is between *who* is running the Western countries that are ideologically sick and dying slow deaths. Russia is the perfect example to use because it suffered under a very similar ideology implemented by the same group of people, and it is now finally breaking free of that due to its reconnection with its national identity and traditional culture. |
Russia still has a bigger problem with alcohol mortality than the US, by a long shot. http://qz.com/403307/russia-is-quite-literally-drinking-itself-to-death/ A recently risen death rate, and an ongoing demographic problem (but this is not unique to Russia of course) http://www.npr.org/sections/parallels/2015/11/11/455318254/russias-demographics-a-problem-decades-in-the-making and the highest rate of injecting drug users in the world (to be fair, it is close to Afghanistan) http://www.themoscowtimes.com/opinion/opinion/article/russia-must-step-up-and-fight-its-drug-problem/524836.html
I understand the problems from the post-soviet era, and progress has been made from the times of bespredel of the early 1990s that were just desperate, but they still have a much larger problem with these issues than the United States.
Anyways, lets get this clear. Basically the baseline you are proposing for cultural brokenness is the degree to which a society associates itself with its traditional culture and doesn't let outsiders in? I think the previous sentence is a boiled down version of all that you posted above, correct? I promised I would engage, and I will, but I want to make sure that we are on the same page before spending the time to do so.
This whole dual-citizen thing is a knock against jews/implying loyalty to Israel, correct? |
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Swartz
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:32 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| I googled him, and he looks plenty white to me |
Oh, well in that case…
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| they still have a much larger problem with these issues than the United States. |
Probably, but I wasn’t arguing otherwise. I was just pointing out that Russia’s massive issues with alcoholism are indicative of a different time period and have gotten progressively better in recent years largely because they have addressed the problem directly and marginalized the sources that allowed it to get so out of control in the first place. I don’t think anywhere in the West can say as much, especially a place like the US, which in reality may have a much worse problem on its hands if you take into account prescription drugs and the influence pharmaceutical companies have; influence that assures skewed numbers and decreases the likelihood of the issue ever being addressed publicly in any honest fashion.
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| the baseline you are proposing for cultural brokenness is the degree to which a society associates itself with its traditional culture and doesn't let outsiders in? |
Not necessarily. What I’m telling you is that liberalism is a tool used by dual-citizen powerbrokers (and their patsies) to fracture the Western societies they have infiltrated and to a large extent now control. Liberal principles might be fine in a homogenous society and I think it was reasonably acceptable until relatively recently (though mainly because people weren’t conscious of the harm it was doing). But the goal of modern liberalism is not to bring about liberty and enlightenment, as under communism just as with today, it clamps down on unfavorable opinions and fears nationalist tendencies more than anything else in the world; it wants to destroy and fracture the people and culture to keep national identity weak, to keep its citizens sick, broken and stupid, so to keep nationalist sentiment from arising. But why? Because the people who rule you aren’t from where you’re from, and they know that is what ultimately destroys them and gets them kicked out of their hundred-and-whatever-it-now-is-th nation.
There’s a book by Alexander Solzhenitsyn titled “200 Years Together.” It’s not allowed to be published in English but there is a pdf version floating around out there which I read earlier this year. Take it from me: You want to understand international affairs and learn how the world works? Buddy, you never will until you open yourself up to the JQ. It is the theme that runs throughout time immemorial, but it’s the one thing we aren’t allowed to talk about or address openly. Why? Solzhenitsyn’s book is a good starting point to figuring that out for yourself; I know you won’t take my or Titus’s word for it, but there is no other way to understand how this all works. That's a fact.
Start here for to listen.
Or here to read. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| I googled him, and he looks plenty white to me |
Oh, well in that case…
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| they still have a much larger problem with these issues than the United States. |
Probably, but I wasn’t arguing otherwise. I was just pointing out that Russia’s massive issues with alcoholism are indicative of a different time period and have gotten progressively better in recent years largely because they have addressed the problem directly and marginalized the sources that allowed it to get so out of control in the first place. I don’t think anywhere in the West can say as much, especially a place like the US, which in reality may have a much worse problem on its hands if you take into account prescription drugs and the influence pharmaceutical companies have; influence that assures skewed numbers and decreases the likelihood of the issue ever being addressed publicly in any honest fashion.
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| the baseline you are proposing for cultural brokenness is the degree to which a society associates itself with its traditional culture and doesn't let outsiders in? |
Not necessarily. What I’m telling you is that liberalism is a tool used by dual-citizen powerbrokers (and their patsies) to fracture the Western societies they have infiltrated and to a large extent now control. Liberal principles might be fine in a homogenous society and I think it was reasonably acceptable until relatively recently (though mainly because people weren’t conscious of the harm it was doing). But the goal of modern liberalism is not to bring about liberty and enlightenment, as under communism just as with today, it clamps down on unfavorable opinions and fears nationalist tendencies more than anything else in the world; it wants to destroy and fracture the people and culture to keep national identity weak, to keep its citizens sick, broken and stupid, so to keep nationalist sentiment from arising. But why? Because the people who rule you aren’t from where you’re from, and they know that is what ultimately destroys them and gets them kicked out of their hundred-and-whatever-it-now-is-th nation.
There’s a book by Alexander Solzhenitsyn titled “200 Years Together.” It’s not allowed to be published in English but there is a pdf version floating around out there which I read earlier this year. Take it from me: You want to understand international affairs and learn how the world works? Buddy, you never will until you open yourself up to the JQ. It is the theme that runs throughout time immemorial, but it’s the one thing we aren’t allowed to talk about or address openly. Why? Solzhenitsyn’s book is a good starting point to figuring that out for yourself; I know you won’t take my or Titus’s word for it, but there is no other way to understand how this all works. That's a fact.
Start here for to listen.
Or here to read. |
This is why I refered to talking to you as the equivalent of talking to an evangelist. Anyway, I promised substantive engagement, but not sure where I would even start. An opening salvo would be to point out that centralized despotism and secret police have a long history in Russia before the Boleshevics were around, and Stalin as a mad czar and anti-Semite fits in the Russian historical tradition. More to come as I regret my earlier promise and attempt to take the alt-right on in a serious manner and try to think of how to approach this. |
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Swartz
Joined: 19 Dec 2014
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 6:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| An opening salvo would be to point out that centralized despotism and secret police have a long history in Russia before the Boleshevics were around, and Stalin as a mad czar and anti-Semite fits in the Russian historical tradition. |
And that salvo only reiterates to me how limited your understanding actually is.
Your loss, Leon. Enjoy your evening. |
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Leon
Joined: 31 May 2010
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| Posted: Fri Dec 18, 2015 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| Leon wrote: |
| An opening salvo would be to point out that centralized despotism and secret police have a long history in Russia before the Boleshevics were around, and Stalin as a mad czar and anti-Semite fits in the Russian historical tradition. |
And that salvo only reiterates to me how limited your understanding actually is.
Your loss, Leon. Enjoy your evening. |
You accuse me of short response and an unwillingness to engage, but like I said before this is a sign of the pot calling the kettle black. I said I would engage in good faith, but that involves willingness to accept that you (or I, naturally) are wrong.
But if you would like to try again minus the smugness and vagueness, go ahead. |
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