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seyz
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 Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 1:00 pm Post subject: Question about time frame for "apostilling" docume |
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Hi everyone,
I am sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but I've read tons of conflicting information about this and thought of no better place to try to clear it up.
I am in the process of getting my criminal records and degrees "apostilled" so that perhaps in the next year I can feasibly apply for jobs in South Korea. However, I have heard that the "apostille" is only good for 6 months after it is issued. Other sources have said that the "apostille" is valid longer and job ads online don't specify a specific time frame.
I was wondering what the window was after receiving an "apostille" that it is valid for?
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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The police (FBI for Americans) check is only good for 6 months from date of issue. If it lands on the desk at immigration and is 6 months + 1 day from the issue date you will have to get a new one with a new apostille.
The apostille itself has no expiry so your degree copy with apostille is fine for years.
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seyz
Joined: 19 Jan 2013
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| Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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| That is extremely inconvenient. Then if one is serious about getting employment in South Korea, it seems best to just perpetually continue doing this process until one lands a job then. I have a background check ready to be sent to the FBI, but if I get this back in February, I'll be able to apply for jobs in South Korea, basically only until August due to the six month window. That would mean during the summer, perhaps in July, I should start the process again. Does that sound correct? |
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northway
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 6:44 am Post subject: |
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| If it takes you six months to find a job then you should probably look into doing something else. |
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seyz
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 8:13 am Post subject: |
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| Well I am particularly interested in looking for a job at a university. I don't really want to work anywhere else, so that is why I am concerned about this. If this is the case, would there be any particular moment in time where it would be most beneficial to start the process of getting my criminal background check? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jan 16, 2016 5:36 pm Post subject: |
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| seyz wrote: |
| That is extremely inconvenient. |
If you think that is inconvenient then you should try dealing with American immigration services. The processes for working in Korea are a cakewalk by comparison.
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| Well I am particularly interested in looking for a job at a university. I don't really want to work anywhere else, so that is why I am concerned about this. If this is the case, would there be any particular moment in time where it would be most beneficial to start the process of getting my criminal background check? |
You have a masters or PhD and post grad uni teaching experience? Legitimate E1s (visiting and guest professors) don't need to worry about police checks.
Otherwise you'll need local connections (beyond a recruiter) and experience to land a uni job and you'll be on an E2 (dealing with police checks, apostilles, etc).
Best to concentrate on public schools or a decent hagwon for your first year.
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seyz
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:20 am Post subject: |
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| If you think that is inconvenient then you should try dealing with American immigration services. The processes for working in Korea are a cakewalk by comparison. |
Good point. It must be more daunting for sure. But the six months necessary background check, when the FBI gives something like a 1-4 month window, is pretty ridiculous. I don't mind doing the process, but if this is the case, then one must basically keep repeating this process every few months until one is hired.
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You have a masters or PhD and post grad uni teaching experience? Legitimate E1s (visiting and guest professors) don't need to worry about police checks.
Otherwise you'll need local connections (beyond a recruiter) and experience to land a uni job and you'll be on an E2 (dealing with police checks, apostilles, etc).
Best to concentrate on public schools or a decent hagwon for your first year. |
Several questions I had here. First, I have just about completed my PhD and I have university teaching and research experience. However, it seems that a lot of jobs are looking for like three years of university teaching experience, consistently in EFL/ESL. Thus, part of my experience, since it was in more area studies, is somewhat irrelevant. Obviously, I would prefer a E1 type job, but at the moment, I am just looking for anything that would get me into a university setting.
Regarding public schools and hagwons, I have several connections to hagwons that I could readily draw upon. They would sponsor a visa and that would at least get me into the door. They are also my close friends, so I wouldn't need to worry about being exploited or having terrible working conditions. However, would this experience possibly open doors for a university later down the line? Perhaps in 6 months to a year? This is something I've also contemplated and am wondering if it would be easier to perhaps accept one of these jobs and then try to get into a university during the next hiring cycle. |
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:46 am Post subject: |
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| Please don't work at a hagwon with a PhD. Please. Just don't. |
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seyz
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:08 pm Post subject: |
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| northway wrote: |
| Please don't work at a hagwon with a PhD. Please. Just don't. |
My ultimate goal is working in a university. And given the fact that I am transitioning fields and lack a bit of a formal background in ESL/TESOL, I may have to make some sacrifices in this regard. If working in my friend's hagwon for six months will get me into a university or perhaps high school gig, I am willing to take it. Are you suggesting that public schools may be a better option for me than a hagwon would be? |
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ttompatz
Joined: 05 Sep 2005
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 5:25 pm Post subject: |
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| seyz wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| Please don't work at a hagwon with a PhD. Please. Just don't. |
My ultimate goal is working in a university. And given the fact that I am transitioning fields and lack a bit of a formal background in ESL/TESOL, I may have to make some sacrifices in this regard. If working in my friend's hagwon for six months will get me into a university or perhaps high school gig, I am willing to take it. Are you suggesting that public schools may be a better option for me than a hagwon would be? |
You'd be far better off networking at some regional or international TEFL/TESOL conferences. You might even land something in your field rather than wasting a PhD on entry level EFL (unless your PhD is in applied linguistics - in which case you should be teaching TEFL and not EFL).
The TESOL International conference is in Baltimore this year (April 5-
http://www.tesol.org/convention2016
PhDs don't find jobs on EFL boards.
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northway
Joined: 05 Jul 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jan 18, 2016 9:49 pm Post subject: |
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| ttompatz wrote: |
| seyz wrote: |
| northway wrote: |
| Please don't work at a hagwon with a PhD. Please. Just don't. |
My ultimate goal is working in a university. And given the fact that I am transitioning fields and lack a bit of a formal background in ESL/TESOL, I may have to make some sacrifices in this regard. If working in my friend's hagwon for six months will get me into a university or perhaps high school gig, I am willing to take it. Are you suggesting that public schools may be a better option for me than a hagwon would be? |
You'd be far better off networking at some regional or international TEFL/TESOL conferences. You might even land something in your field rather than wasting a PhD on entry level EFL (unless your PhD is in applied linguistics - in which case you should be teaching TEFL and not EFL).
The TESOL International conference is in Baltimore this year (April 5-
http://www.tesol.org/convention2016
PhDs don't find jobs on EFL boards.
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This. ttompatz knows way more than me in this regard, but not only are you wasting your PhD by taking a hagwon job, you're basically pissing all over it in the process. It's a total waste, and you should absolutely be able to find something better. |
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