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le-paul
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You will move on if you are smart. You can't win. The game is rigged.
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Really, this is the best advice you can possibly get.
Next, they will start lying and saying you hit them etc.
Whitey big nose face and darkey never win - we are the devil. |
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CentralCali
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| Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 9:01 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
You will move on if you are smart. You can't win. The game is rigged.
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Really, this is the best advice you can possibly get.
Next, they will start lying and saying you hit them etc.
Whitey big nose face and darkey never win - we are the devil. |
You didn't happen to notice that the OP said he was born Korean? |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Tue Jan 19, 2016 10:26 pm Post subject: |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
You will move on if you are smart. You can't win. The game is rigged.
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Really, this is the best advice you can possibly get.
Next, they will start lying and saying you hit them etc.
Whitey big nose face and darkey never win - we are the devil. |
You didn't happen to notice that the OP said he was born Korean? |
Nope (edit) - I would still stand by what Ive posted (minus the devils part) - koreans do have a massive tendency to lie, especially when they either lose face or benefit from it in some way. |
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Plain Meaning
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
You will move on if you are smart. You can't win. The game is rigged.
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Really, this is the best advice you can possibly get.
Next, they will start lying and saying you hit them etc.
Whitey big nose face and darkey never win - we are the devil. |
You didn't happen to notice that the OP said he was born Korean? |
Nope (edit) - I would still stand by what Ive posted (minus the devils part) - koreans do have a massive tendency to lie, especially when they either lose face or benefit from it in some way. |
You have done more than impugn the general credibility of an entire people, you have also slurred the entire Korean court system as extremely biased, such that foreigners should not expect to receive a fair hearing in any circumstance.
I have seen many on Dave's blast the Korean court system, but I have seen little evidence of its bias against foreigners. It is simply an article of faith around here.
You want to tell me that laymen Koreans prefer Koreans when conflict arises? Fine. You argue that Korean judges, professionals and adjudicators of the law, cannot come to a fair decision when a foreigner is involved? Show some evidence. |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Wed Jan 20, 2016 1:30 am Post subject: |
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Ok, but having seen multiple times the Korean courts/people vs foreigners, Im yet to be convinced that your conjecture/opinion is anymore correct than mine.
Evidence? Ive experienced it myself 3 times. How do you want me to prove it? Perhaps I should collect some witness testimonies for you?
Joking aside at the silliness of what you implied (Koreans are infact an honest race and Im making stereotypes etc.), I agree, with you in one area. With regard to foreigners and the labour board, the legal system does seem to have taken a turn for the better. However, if you are implying that in a situation where there was physical assault or an accusation, and one person was of Korean heritage and one was say Australian (no offense intended to Australians), that both would stand an equal chance of proving their innocence, then I would have to disagree and say - you sir, are a troll of the highest rank (or a Korean). |
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chellovek
Joined: 29 Feb 2008
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:15 am Post subject: |
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| No matter what you think is wrong about his actions, you are the foreigner (I'm assuming) dealing with a doctor (again, consider that status) and two Korean nurses...and dealing with Korean cops that will almost certainly consider that doctors "status" |
Thanks Yeah your message made me feel better. I have no one who I can talk to about this so talking to you guys made me feel better. I do not want to tell any of my Korean friends about this because I do not want them to have a negative image of me.
I understand and agree with you that doctors have high status in Korea. Actually I am Korean by birth and I was about 5 years older than the doctor. So I found it really insolent which really infuriates me. |
Cool,but don't let it bother you so much. There are doctors on every corner. I wont assume about your " attitude" when you asked after his general questions " Can I get some meds"....its just kind of a given and maybe a warning sign to doctors when people come in somewhat "eager" to get meds.
Considering you said you would be taking a trip that may likely involve air travel, and considering the pressure changes in the air, and how it effects sinus and nasal passages, the doctor may have been taking your situation into a bit more consideration. Maybe that you are Korean and he is younger, you didnt like his attitude as you are Korean enough to expect younger people to speak to you a certain way..and when they dont blow up like a taxi ajussi?
Just visit the doctor down the street and I'm sure you wont have any problems and will be able to get your meds. |
Huh? Blow up like a taxi ajussi? Where did you get that from? Do you live with people who blow up like taxi ajussis? Are you projecting? I do not know how you automatically assumed I blew up like that unless you are personally familiar with that sort of behavior. No I did not blow up like a taxi ajussi. The doctor got rude when I was politely listening to his ramble and then I politely asked if he could possibly give me meds. That's when he RUDELY said "Have you not heard anything I've told you so far?" Perhaps you are not aware of how normal people react towards rude savage behavior. And it's clear you do not know that the doc was rude. Perhaps that's cos you cannot tell the difference. It says a lot about who you are. Shame on you. |
Biting comeback, ball back in your court coralreefer |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:32 am Post subject: |
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| Hi, no I have no injuries or anything like that. And I do not want to hire a lawyer. I just want to drag them to the police station and see what satisfaction I can get there. I really found the doctor really rude and arrogant. I went to the doctor to get some cold meds for travels next week. When I first sat down I told him about my condition. But he just kept asking me many questions for about 5 minutes, like how much do I exercise, smoke, drink etc. I politely listened to him. |
So you thought your doctor was rude and arrogant because he spent 5 minutes asking about your medical background before he prescribed you medication? Did he even have a medical history to examine? Doctors are supposed to ask those questions. Idiot patients don't answer those questions and don't give that information and then either get medication that doesn't treat their condition or worse, causes a reaction.
You do realize that say "cough and fever" is a symptom of hundreds of possible illnesses, right? You also realize that the doctor has to ask if you smoke and stuff so he can rule out ordering an x-ray for you because you might have a lung condition or something, right?
Also, you can't just demand medication. Doctors have to diagnose you.
And yes nurses and doctors are allowed to touch you, but you can't touch them. A patient who acts disruptive and argumentative can be restrained.
Doctors and nurses deal with sick morons everyday who demand a bunch of stuff and have little to no concept of medicine. They also have people who are suffering from the common cold who are coming in and demanding drugs when they could just get some over-the-counter stuff and drink some fluids and rest.
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| Actually I am Korean by birth and I was about 5 years older than the doctor. |
That doesn't mean crap. The doctor went to med school. You didn't. Listen to him.
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| le-paul wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
You will move on if you are smart. You can't win. The game is rigged.
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Really, this is the best advice you can possibly get.
Next, they will start lying and saying you hit them etc.
Whitey big nose face and darkey never win - we are the devil. |
You didn't happen to notice that the OP said he was born Korean? |
Nope (edit) - I would still stand by what Ive posted (minus the devils part) - koreans do have a massive tendency to lie, especially when they either lose face or benefit from it in some way. |
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Ok, but having seen multiple times the Korean courts/people vs foreigners, Im yet to be convinced that your conjecture/opinion is anymore correct than mine.
Evidence? Ive experienced it myself 3 times. How do you want me to prove it? Perhaps I should collect some witness testimonies for you?
Joking aside at the silliness of what you implied (Koreans are infact an honest race and Im making stereotypes etc.), I agree, with you in one area. With regard to foreigners and the labour board, the legal system does seem to have taken a turn for the better. However, if you are implying that in a situation where there was physical assault or an accusation, and one person was of Korean heritage and one was say Australian (no offense intended to Australians), that both would stand an equal chance of proving their innocence, then I would have to disagree and say - you sir, are a troll of the highest rank (or a Korean). |
Did it ever occur to you that your sweeping generalizations, erroneous assumptions, failure to clearly read what the OP wrote, and not knowing the background story might be connected to your 3 losing court appearances? |
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le-paul
Joined: 07 Apr 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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No, actually.
I lost the first time because I was accused of hitting a korean gentleman. Since I hadnt laid a finger on him, or been in any close proximity to him at the time of said incident, and that was my defence (when in fact it was the truth), I realised that my plea of innocence was falling on deaf ears. That's why I lost.
Second time, my ex-girlfriend went to the police and said I hit her. I can assume she said this because she wanted to keep the things that she'd stolen from me, and when I went to her apartment to take them back, she called the police and said I had assaulted her.
On both oif thiose two occasions, my word was less than the stuff on a soiled shoe.
I know of at least 30 other stories similar to that from freinds, where the foreigner is less than scum.
Nothing to do with me not reading an OP on an internet forum - sorry
Koreans, on the whole are liars. |
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Steelrails
Joined: 12 Mar 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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No, actually.
I lost the first time because I was accused of hitting a korean gentleman. Since I hadnt laid a finger on him, or been in any close proximity to him at the time of said incident, and that was my defence (when in fact it was the truth), I realised that my plea of innocence was falling on deaf ears. That's why I lost.
Second time, my ex-girlfriend went to the police and said I hit her. I can assume she said this because she wanted to keep the things that she'd stolen from me, and when I went to her apartment to take them back, she called the police and said I had assaulted her.
On both oif thiose two occasions, my word was less than the stuff on a soiled shoe.
I know of at least 30 other stories similar to that from freinds, where the foreigner is less than scum.
Nothing to do with me not reading an OP on an internet forum - sorry
Koreans, on the whole are liars. |
Humans on the whole are liars, they just lie in different ways. I've met just as many pathological liars who are foreign as those who are Korean.
I know foreigners who have dealt with the cops vs. Koreans. Many were able to have successful outcomes. Those that were not, were at least partly to blame and while we may have openly supported them, inside and amongst ourselves we blamed them at least partially for the situation. In cases where things are unclear, I do agree that foreigners are at a disadvantage and a couple people I know have had things go against them, but I also have seen foreigners get away with a lot by playing "the foreigner card" or the authorities just try and calm everyone down and let things go. It's been my life experience that people who constantly are involved in situations involving the police are either terribly unlucky or make some rather poor choices that cause those situations to frequently occur.
The two incidents you listed definitely sound like bad luck. Psycho ex, we've all been there. And the guy was either a scammer or got hit by another foreigner and just pointed at any foreigner, which was you. I take it this was before the days of mass-CCTV. What was the outcome? Did you have to pay money? What about the 3rd incident? |
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Plain Meaning
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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| le-paul wrote: |
No, actually.
I lost the first time because I was accused of hitting a korean gentleman. Since I hadnt laid a finger on him, or been in any close proximity to him at the time of said incident, and that was my defence (when in fact it was the truth), I realised that my plea of innocence was falling on deaf ears. That's why I lost.
Second time, my ex-girlfriend went to the police and said I hit her. I can assume she said this because she wanted to keep the things that she'd stolen from me, and when I went to her apartment to take them back, she called the police and said I had assaulted her.
On both oif thiose two occasions, my word was less than the stuff on a soiled shoe.
I know of at least 30 other stories similar to that from freinds, where the foreigner is less than scum.
Nothing to do with me not reading an OP on an internet forum - sorry
Koreans, on the whole are liars. |
I would be embittered by that entire experience, too. It really sounds messed up, and I have no reason to doubt that's exactly how it went down (although, this is the Internet).
Now, since this is a message board which is nominally meant to help foreigners in Korea, I will offer a recommendation to others in this situation. If you are afraid a foreigner's word is less than a Korean's, then hire a lawyer and force the judge confront the credibility of someone he may be familiar with and trusts. |
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coralreefer_1
Joined: 19 Jan 2009
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| chellovek wrote: |
| Jondo wrote: |
| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
| Jondo wrote: |
| coralreefer_1 wrote: |
| No matter what you think is wrong about his actions, you are the foreigner (I'm assuming) dealing with a doctor (again, consider that status) and two Korean nurses...and dealing with Korean cops that will almost certainly consider that doctors "status" |
Thanks Yeah your message made me feel better. I have no one who I can talk to about this so talking to you guys made me feel better. I do not want to tell any of my Korean friends about this because I do not want them to have a negative image of me.
I understand and agree with you that doctors have high status in Korea. Actually I am Korean by birth and I was about 5 years older than the doctor. So I found it really insolent which really infuriates me. |
Cool,but don't let it bother you so much. There are doctors on every corner. I wont assume about your " attitude" when you asked after his general questions " Can I get some meds"....its just kind of a given and maybe a warning sign to doctors when people come in somewhat "eager" to get meds.
Considering you said you would be taking a trip that may likely involve air travel, and considering the pressure changes in the air, and how it effects sinus and nasal passages, the doctor may have been taking your situation into a bit more consideration. Maybe that you are Korean and he is younger, you didnt like his attitude as you are Korean enough to expect younger people to speak to you a certain way..and when they dont blow up like a taxi ajussi?
Just visit the doctor down the street and I'm sure you wont have any problems and will be able to get your meds. |
Huh? Blow up like a taxi ajussi? Where did you get that from? Do you live with people who blow up like taxi ajussis? Are you projecting? I do not know how you automatically assumed I blew up like that unless you are personally familiar with that sort of behavior. No I did not blow up like a taxi ajussi. The doctor got rude when I was politely listening to his ramble and then I politely asked if he could possibly give me meds. That's when he RUDELY said "Have you not heard anything I've told you so far?" Perhaps you are not aware of how normal people react towards rude savage behavior. And it's clear you do not know that the doc was rude. Perhaps that's cos you cannot tell the difference. It says a lot about who you are. Shame on you. |
Biting comeback, ball back in your court coralreefer |
Nah, not at all. Guy obviously didn't read my post well. I said "maybe". I was throwing out guesses about his own behavior to help him understand why things "may" have happened as they did. Nevertheless I don't care about it all that much to continue a back and forth over it. |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 7:31 pm Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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No, actually.
I lost the first time because I was accused of hitting a korean gentleman. Since I hadnt laid a finger on him, or been in any close proximity to him at the time of said incident, and that was my defence (when in fact it was the truth), I realised that my plea of innocence was falling on deaf ears. That's why I lost.
Second time, my ex-girlfriend went to the police and said I hit her. I can assume she said this because she wanted to keep the things that she'd stolen from me, and when I went to her apartment to take them back, she called the police and said I had assaulted her.
On both oif thiose two occasions, my word was less than the stuff on a soiled shoe.
I know of at least 30 other stories similar to that from freinds, where the foreigner is less than scum.
Nothing to do with me not reading an OP on an internet forum - sorry
Koreans, on the whole are liars. |
Humans on the whole are liars, they just lie in different ways. I've met just as many pathological liars who are foreign as those who are Korean.
I know foreigners who have dealt with the cops vs. Koreans. Many were able to have successful outcomes. Those that were not, were at least partly to blame and while we may have openly supported them, inside and amongst ourselves we blamed them at least partially for the situation. In cases where things are unclear, I do agree that foreigners are at a disadvantage and a couple people I know have had things go against them, but I also have seen foreigners get away with a lot by playing "the foreigner card" or the authorities just try and calm everyone down and let things go. It's been my life experience that people who constantly are involved in situations involving the police are either terribly unlucky or make some rather poor choices that cause those situations to frequently occur.
The two incidents you listed definitely sound like bad luck. Psycho ex, we've all been there. And the guy was either a scammer or got hit by another foreigner and just pointed at any foreigner, which was you. I take it this was before the days of mass-CCTV. What was the outcome? Did you have to pay money? What about the 3rd incident? |
Im not sure how much luck has to do with it. Koreans know full well these days how easy it is to sue people - take for example jumping onto cars and saying they hit you.
In the case of Korean vs foreigner, Koreans are becoming more aware that regardless of the situation, all they have to do is call the cops or go to a bent doctor and say they are injured - then, without the need for evidence or witnesses/cctv etc. it becomes word against word. In most cases I dont think any lawyer in the country will be of use. We all know in Korea you can pay people off if you rape them or kill their children etc.- really, that's what this boils down to - money making schemes. |
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Steelrails
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| Posted: Thu Jan 28, 2016 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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really, that's what this boils down to - money making schemes. |
You do have to wonder if there aren't some cops out there that might be in on it. Professional scammers provoke incidents in specific places because they know who the cops are there. |
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le-paul
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 1:35 am Post subject: |
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| Steelrails wrote: |
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really, that's what this boils down to - money making schemes. |
You do have to wonder if there aren't some cops out there that might be in on it. Professional scammers provoke incidents in specific places because they know who the cops are there. |
Well, I have to agree with you there. But I suppose its the same as being charged to have your computer fixed - for most people its just not worth the stress or hassle, so they just pay. People who pull this shit must know that. The only difference is, some people don't have any choice in being targeted. |
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BigBuds
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| Posted: Fri Jan 29, 2016 4:15 am Post subject: |
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| Plain Meaning wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| CentralCali wrote: |
| le-paul wrote: |
| tophatcat wrote: |
You will move on if you are smart. You can't win. The game is rigged.
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Really, this is the best advice you can possibly get.
Next, they will start lying and saying you hit them etc.
Whitey big nose face and darkey never win - we are the devil. |
You didn't happen to notice that the OP said he was born Korean? |
Nope (edit) - I would still stand by what Ive posted (minus the devils part) - koreans do have a massive tendency to lie, especially when they either lose face or benefit from it in some way. |
You have done more than impugn the general credibility of an entire people, you have also slurred the entire Korean court system as extremely biased, such that foreigners should not expect to receive a fair hearing in any circumstance.
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After living here for 15 years and working within the Korean legal system for a few of those years, you're damn straight it biased anytime it's a case of Korean against a foreigner. Sorry, but that is a fact of the Korean legal system.
Teacher's rights and the labor board have improved the the courts are far far from it! |
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