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mithridates
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| bucheon bum wrote: |
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It's pretty crazy to think that there's actually a chance of seeing a Trump-Rubio-Bloomberg-Clinton-Sanders matchup in November. Let's say both parties nominate their establishment candidate and push Trump and Sanders to go independent while Bloomberg looks at the mess and decides he's just the guy to jump in and save the day.
Even crazier would be if Clinton and Rubio win the least amount in the electoral college, making the House have to vote on the other three. |
Sanders wouldn't run as an independent, and Bloomberg wouldn't run if Clinton got the Dem nomination. The best you can hope for is Trump-Rubio-Sanders-Bloomberg (but I doubt Bloomberg would run if Rubio were the GOP nominee). |
You never know. Let's say Sanders gets more support but Clinton wins by superdelegates. Sanders's base is now enraged and wants him in no matter what, Clinton's shady win and maybe some equally shady email pops up that convinces Bloomberg that he could win against her too. Plus he's really old, maybe wants to jump in just to see what happens. |
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Plain Meaning
Joined: 18 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:29 pm Post subject: |
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On an even better note, Trump is ending the Bush dynasty. Jeb might well eat a bullet. He's been publically humiliated over and over again. A whole batch of Republicans will be untouchable after this. |
No matter what happens before or at the Republican Convention, Trump will have a legacy and a following.
As for Jeb Bush, he was an entitled piece of ...
This fiction that he is a nice guy? It only works because Trump handled him so decisively (although Jeb Bush does not have his brother's political acumen, and he was more rusty in the initial debates than when Obama trotted out for his first debate against Romney after the Democrats refused to primary him in 2012).
http://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/02/marco-rubio-slew-jeb-bush-mentor-2016-213652?o=1
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The possibility of Rubio running for president with Bush running as well loomed for a couple years. People talked.
“I think the general consensus at the time was that Marco was, you know, being a little too big for his britches,” said Mac Stipanovich, a lobbyist in Tallahassee and a Bush backer.
“There was a lot of ‘Wait your turn, boy,’” said Florida Republican strategist Rick Wilson, a Rubio backer. “A lot. A lot, a lot, a lot.”
“When you would talk to Jeb people about Marco running for president against Jeb, they’d be like, ‘Well, there’s no way he’d do that,’” said Schale, the Democratic strategist who ran Obama’s Florida campaign. “Their response was, ‘Well, he wouldn’t do that.’ They were almost indignant about the idea that he’d get in. How dare he?”
“You have to understand their psychology, which is: They’re entitled to this—he’s the rightful heir to this throne,” an inner-circle Rubio confidant said.
Arza, Rubio’s close friend, talked with him in his office in Washington. This was shortly before Rubio made his decision. He was weighing the pros and cons of a run. “If he decided not to run because of Jeb, and you let this thing play out the way it’s played out, Marco would’ve felt, ‘I should’ve ran,’” Arza said. “He goes to me, ‘Look, it would kill me for me to be home watching this unfold, and I didn’t run because of Jeb, and here Jeb is imploding.’”
“I never understood why anybody ever thought that Marco Rubio would do anything other than run for president,” Schale said. “For Marco, it’s just a basic political calculation: Does it make sense or not? And he made the right decision.”
“It’s just how Marco is,” said Fuentes, his former spokesman. “There’s no intent to betray—it’s just that he has a plan in his head and he’s not going to wait. He’ll do what’s best for him.” |
Jeb Bush tried to run Florida as a fiefdom, just as his brother tried to run the White House as a fiefdom.
One thing just occurred to me. I read about Trump citing Marco in his argument on Morning Joe (rumors are that climber Scarborough is positioning himself for a Trump Vice Presidential pick, but Trump can do better) that Cruz is a liar. There is a strange synergy between Trump and Rubio, and I could see them allying to crush Cruz in a three-person heat. |
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Titus2
Joined: 06 Sep 2015
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 9:47 pm Post subject: |
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No matter what happens before or at the Republican Convention, Trump will have a legacy and a following.
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Sadly, I don't think that's true. His positions are so outside of the current zeitgeist that they need constant reinforcement to be sustained. If/when he returns to private life, the regime will be able to reinforce the consensus, until the crackup.
Joe might want VP. He won't get it. M.Cuban might. Jeff Sessions maybe.
Have you seen this:
http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=95b_1455678794
Her dad must be crushed. There's a puddle under her chair. |
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Titus2
Joined: 06 Sep 2015
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| Posted: Fri Feb 19, 2016 10:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Where is the Trump thread? Why was it deleted? Trump is current events. |
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bucheon bum
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sat Feb 20, 2016 8:46 am Post subject: |
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| mithridates wrote: |
| bucheon bum wrote: |
| mithridates wrote: |
It's pretty crazy to think that there's actually a chance of seeing a Trump-Rubio-Bloomberg-Clinton-Sanders matchup in November. Let's say both parties nominate their establishment candidate and push Trump and Sanders to go independent while Bloomberg looks at the mess and decides he's just the guy to jump in and save the day.
Even crazier would be if Clinton and Rubio win the least amount in the electoral college, making the House have to vote on the other three. |
Sanders wouldn't run as an independent, and Bloomberg wouldn't run if Clinton got the Dem nomination. The best you can hope for is Trump-Rubio-Sanders-Bloomberg (but I doubt Bloomberg would run if Rubio were the GOP nominee). |
You never know. Let's say Sanders gets more support but Clinton wins by superdelegates. Sanders's base is now enraged and wants him in no matter what, Clinton's shady win and maybe some equally shady email pops up that convinces Bloomberg that he could win against her too. Plus he's really old, maybe wants to jump in just to see what happens. |
They might want him in no matter what, but I don't think he has the desire/drive to run independently. I think his initial goal in running was to pull the Dems leftward, and he has done that. The fact that he's doing so well is icing on the cake.
If he were 10+ years younger, I could see him running as an independent in 2020 if the Dems went back to their Clintonesque policies. |
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