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Reviews for SLP Mokdong and LCI Seocho/Bangbae

 
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dragonlady



Joined: 10 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:20 pm    Post subject: Reviews for SLP Mokdong and LCI Seocho/Bangbae Reply with quote

Hi,
Does anyone know about LCI Kids Club Seocho/Bangbae or Mokdong SLP? Good, bad, ugly??? In general, I've read some pretty negative things about SLP as a franchise...and LCI has mixed reviews. The most recent reviews of LCI-Seocho/Bangbae were good but are from 2009. I'm looking for some more recent reviews. Thanks for your input!
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Reviews for SLP Mokdong and LCI Seocho/Bangbae Reply with quote

dragonlady wrote:
Hi,
Does anyone know about LCI Kids Club Seocho/Bangbae or Mokdong SLP? Good, bad, ugly??? In general, I've read some pretty negative things about SLP as a franchise...and LCI has mixed reviews. The most recent reviews of LCI-Seocho/Bangbae were good but are from 2009. I'm looking for some more recent reviews. Thanks for your input!


Just read the contract. The devil IS in the details.

If that doesn't scare you away then you will get what you signed up for and you'll know better for next time.

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dragonlady



Joined: 10 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

not necessarily... I've worked in Korea for 3 years; contracts can be pretty standard and don't always give a clear idea of what the working conditions are. I'm asking if someone worked at these particular locations and what their experiences are/were.
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ttompatz



Joined: 05 Sep 2005
Location: Kwangju, South Korea

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 9:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonlady wrote:
not necessarily... I've worked in Korea for 3 years; contracts can be pretty standard and don't always give a clear idea of what the working conditions are. I'm asking if someone worked at these particular locations and what their experiences are/were.


Yea, I'm a newbie at this and I don't know shite about Korea so feel free to ignore me.

~3 years in Korea and you're asking about SLP and LCI kids club and telling me about "standard contracts" while sitting in your living room back in Iowa.

There is NOTHING standard about an SLP contract (other than being standard with other SLP contracts).

21 classes per week (90 minutes) .... 1800 classroom minutes per week compared to the next guy working 30*50 minutes (1500 minutes per week on your feet).
150 hours of extra class time over and above the "standard" contract for the same money.

The rest of the contract doesn't get any better.
The devil IS in the details.... read the contract (or just cruise through the contract thread and you can pick them out a mile away from the red ink all over them.

Sign on with them (especially Seocho) and you will regret it.

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tophatcat



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat

PostPosted: Mon Jun 10, 2013 10:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonlady wrote:
not necessarily... I've worked in Korea for 3 years; contracts can be pretty standard and don't always give a clear idea of what the working conditions are. I'm asking if someone worked at these particular locations and what their experiences are/were.


I know someone who worked in the mentioned SLP school. They didn't have a pleasant experience.

I have seen contracts from both of these schools and would never sign based on the contracts alone. I say, AVOID them. Or, sign up at your own peril.
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dragonlady



Joined: 10 Jun 2013

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 4:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok, thanks for the info tophatcat..did your friend work there recently?
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Weigookin74



Joined: 26 Oct 2009

PostPosted: Tue Jun 11, 2013 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
dragonlady wrote:
not necessarily... I've worked in Korea for 3 years; contracts can be pretty standard and don't always give a clear idea of what the working conditions are. I'm asking if someone worked at these particular locations and what their experiences are/were.


Yea, I'm a newbie at this and I don't know shite about Korea so feel free to ignore me.

~3 years in Korea and you're asking about SLP and LCI kids club and telling me about "standard contracts" while sitting in your living room back in Iowa.

There is NOTHING standard about an SLP contract (other than being standard with other SLP contracts).

21 classes per week (90 minutes) .... 1800 classroom minutes per week compared to the next guy working 30*50 minutes (1500 minutes per week on your feet).
150 hours of extra class time over and above the "standard" contract for the same money.

The rest of the contract doesn't get any better.
The devil IS in the details.... read the contract (or just cruise through the contract thread and you can pick them out a mile away from the red ink all over them.

Sign on with them (especially Seocho) and you will regret it.

.


That's why it's called Slave Labor Program.
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teacherbunny



Joined: 25 Aug 2010
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I refused that mokdong job twice from 2 different recruiters..
I heard a lot of bad things about SLP in general and there are a lot of funny little details in their contract.
Also..I refused that one in April..if the same job is still going now..I think it is something to worry about..

It is also very near Gimpo airport..so it is not exactly central..
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tophatcat



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
Location: under the hat

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

tophatcat wrote:
dragonlady wrote:
not necessarily... I've worked in Korea for 3 years; contracts can be pretty standard and don't always give a clear idea of what the working conditions are. I'm asking if someone worked at these particular locations and what their experiences are/were.


I know someone who worked in the mentioned SLP school. They didn't have a pleasant experience.

I have seen contracts from both of these schools and would never sign based on the contracts alone. I say, AVOID them. Or, sign up at your own peril.


He worked there 2 years ago.
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tophatcat



Joined: 09 Aug 2006
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 12:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonlady wrote:
ok, thanks for the info tophatcat..did your friend work there recently?


2 years ago.
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PaperTiger



Joined: 31 May 2005
Location: Ulaanbataar

PostPosted: Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dragonlady wrote:
ok, thanks for the info tophatcat..did your friend work there recently?


Let's put it this way, I have't worked there since 2004 and people have been saying the same thing about slave labor programs quite consistently since then. I also had quite a bad experience there as well. You can examine the contracts as closely as you like...they may even be organized and worded in such a way that inspires confidence and trust, but what you and everyone else who comes here to work needs to understand is that contracts are literally a formality that is followed because that is what we expect. Many bosses are great and do indeed honor the letter of the contract they signed and are terrific people to work for...but many aren't and you won't find out until it's too late. Why take chances with employers who have an established reputation that has stayed with them for 10 years or more? Keep looking.
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frankhenry



Joined: 13 Mar 2007

PostPosted: Fri Jun 14, 2013 5:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

My best friend worked at this SLP school last year. She was harassed into doing a lot of unpaid work. She was typically putting in an extra 5 plus hours of time beyond classroom and preparation time every week. Don't do it.
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Koreaman



Joined: 11 Apr 2014
Location: LCI Kids Club - Seocho

PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 4:35 am    Post subject: LCI Kids Club Seocho Reply with quote

For anyone who’s considered working at this school, I would advise against it.

First, like most hagwons, this school is a privately owned business, and secondly an education. Profit is king. While it’s understandable that a company values profits, it shouldn’t do so at the expense of the time and money of a student and his or her parents. There are many classes in this school that have students improperly placed. This often means having to teach students who don’t understand the material at all.

The work demand of this company is not ethical. Overtime is mandatory, and so is lesson preparation and grading. However, due to the strict requirements enforced by the head teacher, either one must arrive early or stay late in order to meet the expected demands. It’s simply not enough time to do this during class time.

The head teacher is not easy to get along with. Professionally speaking, communication and respect is key to a healthy work environment. There is a heavy separation between the head teacher with his friend/assistant, and the other teachers.

The reason being is that they both have been teaching ESL for a long time. ESL is a job that anyone with any college degree can do. In order to create a status as “elite teachers” they try to separate themselves from the other teachers, and often treat them as less important. They draw a false sense of security by being overly rigorous, and expect others to follow the same misguided mindset.

The added problem is that many of the Korean parents believe this is a good environment for the students. Pressure and perfection become more important than understanding unique differences and variances in skill.

There is a “bonus system” that is corrupted. Basically, if the boss or his wife likes you, then you’ll get paid a bonus for that month. I worked there for a year, and even when my students got stellar grades, I never received a bonus once, even though my co-teacher had received it multiple times. If any of your students drop for any reason, even if it wasn’t your fault, you will be deducted merit from the system because you are “responsible” for losing a student – even when it’s not your fault, with something as uncontrollable as them moving away.

I’ve worked at many places, and this has been the worst professional experience for me. Unless you enjoy a semi-corporate environment that wants to squeeze your every drop of energy for the lowest cost, I would advise against it.
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Stain



Joined: 08 Jan 2014

PostPosted: Thu Jun 09, 2016 8:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ttompatz wrote:
dragonlady wrote:
not necessarily... I've worked in Korea for 3 years; contracts can be pretty standard and don't always give a clear idea of what the working conditions are. I'm asking if someone worked at these particular locations and what their experiences are/were.


Yea, I'm a newbie at this and I don't know shite about Korea so feel free to ignore me.

~3 years in Korea and you're asking about SLP and LCI kids club and telling me about "standard contracts" while sitting in your living room back in Iowa.

There is NOTHING standard about an SLP contract (other than being standard with other SLP contracts).

21 classes per week (90 minutes) .... 1800 classroom minutes per week compared to the next guy working 30*50 minutes (1500 minutes per week on your feet).
150 hours of extra class time over and above the "standard" contract for the same money.

The rest of the contract doesn't get any better.
The devil IS in the details.... read the contract (or just cruise through the contract thread and you can pick them out a mile away from the red ink all over them.

Sign on with them (especially Seocho) and you will regret it.

.


Dragonfly don't listen to ttompatz. He's only been in Korea since the end of the Korean war. That's not long enough. Try messaging King Sejong instead. On a serious note, listen to ttompatz.This guy has helped me out many times. You never know when you need an answer to a difficult question in this country. He is quick to answer even though he runs a business himself.
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