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R1993
Joined: 12 Jun 2016
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 Posted: Tue Jun 21, 2016 9:52 pm Post subject: Changing schools |
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Hi, I am currently working in a hagwon but wanting to change schools. I have wanted to leave for a while and when another school contacted me I took their offer. I gave my current school my letter of resignation with the date I am supposed to leave (which is giving them the 30 days notice that it says on my contract) however they say they need me to stay 60 days as they need time to hire someone new. I wouldn't mind doing this however this new school need me to start the day after I finish my notice and will not wait. I also feel like I am abiding by my contract which is fair. I haven't argued too much as I need my visa release, and have heard some horror stories about people not getting theirs. Has anyone any advice? I'd like this to go as smoothly as possibly and to stay on good terms.
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 2:39 am Post subject: |
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Well O.P...the cat is out of the bag now.
Your current school knows you are leaving and they know you will need a LOR to start again. They have that over you.
They very well may not even wait the 60 days and hire a substitute, thus, leaving SOL for money. Will you owe for your airfare?
It is tricky situation. You try to do the "right thing" and it can backfire on you.
Perhaps, if you come across this situation again...it may be a good idea to start this process, once you have been paid. Offer to pay the airfare back, right then (if you owe it) and there in exchange for post-dated LOR. IF the school refuses, you know what they will do in the future, thus...you could walk away right then and have a bit more in your favor, as they most likely would not have an immediate back up plan.
You will have to wait and see with this, O.P. DO NOT take verbal agreements as binding....just so you know. |
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pmwhittier
Joined: 03 Nov 2011
Location: Korea
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| Posted: Wed Jun 22, 2016 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Changing schools |
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| R1993 wrote: |
Hi, I am currently working in a hagwon but wanting to change schools. I have wanted to leave for a while and when another school contacted me I took their offer. I gave my current school my letter of resignation with the date I am supposed to leave (which is giving them the 30 days notice that it says on my contract) however they say they need me to stay 60 days as they need time to hire someone new. I wouldn't mind doing this however this new school need me to start the day after I finish my notice and will not wait. I also feel like I am abiding by my contract which is fair. I haven't argued too much as I need my visa release, and have heard some horror stories about people not getting theirs. Has anyone any advice? I'd like this to go as smoothly as possibly and to stay on good terms.
Thanks in advance! |
Your current employer sees your leaving his school as a rejection. You have personally rejected them. You have said that you hate everything they stand for. You are better than them, and they are scum.
That is how they see things. It's the whole "losing face" thing you might have heard about while reading those horror stories. Despite your honorable behavior, acting professionally and following the contract doesn't negate the fact that you have brought shame upon your current hagwon.
I can't offer advice, because the only thing that can right a wrong against a hagwon owner (even if the slight is perceived, rather than real) is to go back in time and never do what you did in the first place. Good luck. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 2:55 am Post subject: Re: Changing schools |
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| pmwhittier wrote: |
Your current employer sees your leaving his school as a rejection. You have personally rejected them. You have said that you hate everything they stand for. You are better than them, and they are scum.
That is how they see things. It's the whole "losing face" thing you might have heard about while reading those horror stories. Despite your honorable behavior, acting professionally and following the contract doesn't negate the fact that you have brought shame upon your current hagwon.
I can't offer advice, because the only thing that can right a wrong against a hagwon owner (even if the slight is perceived, rather than real) is to go back in time and never do what you did in the first place. Good luck. |
Almost 100% correct. There is one other thing that will "right the wrong": money. Lots and lots of money.
| R1993 wrote: |
Hi, I am currently working in a hagwon but wanting to change schools. I have wanted to leave for a while and when another school contacted me I took their offer. I gave my current school my letter of resignation with the date I am supposed to leave (which is giving them the 30 days notice that it says on my contract) however they say they need me to stay 60 days as they need time to hire someone new. I wouldn't mind doing this however this new school need me to start the day after I finish my notice and will not wait. I also feel like I am abiding by my contract which is fair. I haven't argued too much as I need my visa release, and have heard some horror stories about people not getting theirs. Has anyone any advice? I'd like this to go as smoothly as possibly and to stay on good terms.
Thanks in advance! |
Your mistake was in hoping for a letter of release. Have you ever heard of "P5"? It means "Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance". You should have gotten a new set of documents ready before requesting the LoR. If you stay for the 60 days, don't dream that you will get paid, at least not paid your full salary. As the other posters mentioned, your current school now is quite upset with you, regardless of the fact that you did follow the terms of the contract. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:01 am Post subject: Re: Changing schools |
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| CentralCali wrote: |
| pmwhittier wrote: |
Your current employer sees your leaving his school as a rejection. You have personally rejected them. You have said that you hate everything they stand for. You are better than them, and they are scum.
That is how they see things. It's the whole "losing face" thing you might have heard about while reading those horror stories. Despite your honorable behavior, acting professionally and following the contract doesn't negate the fact that you have brought shame upon your current hagwon.
I can't offer advice, because the only thing that can right a wrong against a hagwon owner (even if the slight is perceived, rather than real) is to go back in time and never do what you did in the first place. Good luck. |
Almost 100% correct. There is one other thing that will "right the wrong": money. Lots and lots of money.
| R1993 wrote: |
Hi, I am currently working in a hagwon but wanting to change schools. I have wanted to leave for a while and when another school contacted me I took their offer. I gave my current school my letter of resignation with the date I am supposed to leave (which is giving them the 30 days notice that it says on my contract) however they say they need me to stay 60 days as they need time to hire someone new. I wouldn't mind doing this however this new school need me to start the day after I finish my notice and will not wait. I also feel like I am abiding by my contract which is fair. I haven't argued too much as I need my visa release, and have heard some horror stories about people not getting theirs. Has anyone any advice? I'd like this to go as smoothly as possibly and to stay on good terms.
Thanks in advance! |
Your mistake was in hoping for a letter of release. Have you ever heard of "P5"? It means "Prior Planning Prevents Poor Performance". You should have gotten a new set of documents ready before requesting the LoR. If you stay for the 60 days, don't dream that you will get paid, at least not paid your full salary. As the other posters mentioned, your current school now is quite upset with you, regardless of the fact that you did follow the terms of the contract. |
O.P., if this is your first venture down this path, nobody can blame you for not knowing the ropes. So, what's done is done.
But, CC is right....be prepared. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:06 am Post subject: |
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^And also be prepared for the following "discussion" at the end of the 60 days if you manage to last (not get fired) during that time.
You: I have fulfilled my 60 days. It's time to settle my final payment.
Boss: Why, that's quite simple. We owe you owe you Salary earned minus bogus charges. We will pay you that after the new permanent teacher arrives. Of course, what we will pay you is what is remaining of what we owe you after we pay the temporary teacher out of your salary. It's your fault that we need to hire one so it's your responsibility to pay the temp's salary. We have also gone to cancel your visa. Be out of the provided apartment and the country by midnight tonight.[/b]
Now it might not be that extreme, but it will be "We will pay you nothing". Another fun stunt is that you will be on the hook immediately to find a permanent replacement for you. Oh, don't forget about repaying the recruiter fee, too. |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
Location: In between the lines
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| Posted: Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:16 am Post subject: |
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^And also be prepared for the following "discussion" at the end of the 60 days if you manage to last (not get fired) during that time.
You: I have fulfilled my 60 days. It's time to settle my final payment.
Boss: Why, that's quite simple. We owe you owe you Salary earned minus bogus charges. We will pay you that after the new permanent teacher arrives. Of course, what we will pay you is what is remaining of what we owe you after we pay the temporary teacher out of your salary. It's your fault that we need to hire one so it's your responsibility to pay the temp's salary. We have also gone to cancel your visa. Be out of the provided apartment and the country by midnight tonight.[/b]
Now it might not be that extreme, but it will be "We will pay you nothing". Another fun stunt is that you will be on the hook immediately to find a permanent replacement for you. Oh, don't forget about repaying the recruiter fee, too. |
Yeah, sadly that is the key. |
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R1993
Joined: 12 Jun 2016
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:19 am Post subject: |
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| Hi thanks for that..yes I'm new to Korea and new to teaching. I am moving school because I've been finding it hard to settle in where I am. I've found the whole move Korea more difficult than I thought I would. I explained to the school that it wasn't anything to do with them, and that I enjoyed working there, it was more a personal thing as I had been debating whether or not to go home before I got offered this job (in an area where I know more people and have a friend from home living). I hoped that abiding by my contract would be enough but clearly not! |
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trueblue
Joined: 15 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Fri Jun 24, 2016 2:49 am Post subject: |
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| R1993 wrote: |
| Hi thanks for that..yes I'm new to Korea and new to teaching. I am moving school because I've been finding it hard to settle in where I am. I've found the whole move Korea more difficult than I thought I would. I explained to the school that it wasn't anything to do with them, and that I enjoyed working there, it was more a personal thing as I had been debating whether or not to go home before I got offered this job (in an area where I know more people and have a friend from home living). I hoped that abiding by my contract would be enough but clearly not! |
Well, don't loose hope, O.P.
The school may do the right thing and simply abide...like The Dude. But, the odds are against it.
The best thing you can do now, is get a sense of what they WILL do. And, if you don't have extra documents, make an effort to get some.
OR...if it comes to it...you may consider PAYING for that LOR...but, get everything in writing...EVERYTHING.
Best of luck, O.P. |
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