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Kiki81
Joined: 06 Mar 2017
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| Just tread carefully. |
Yeah, I am not going to do anything now, I'll wait until I finish my contract. It's too risky with only 2 months left.
What some people here fail to understand is that the LB inspectors are like labor police. And if businesses fail to comply with labor laws they can sue them, or fine them. Because my hagwon is breaking a labor law by not giving me breaks, they can be sued by the Labor Board. So my hagwon will have to pay me more money for the breaks I didn't get.
I would advise anyone seeking real help against bad hagwons on this forum, not to listen to certain posters here because believe me, they are not speaking in your best interest. If anyone tells you the LB can't do anything to help you then they are not speaking in your best interest. It's always best to get this info from the horse's mouth, not from some dubious posters on a forum.
DONT TRUST any poster here that tries to blame the worker for a bad contract. These contracts were meant to screw and exploit you, as a foreign worker, as much as possible. It's NOT your fault. We're not lawyers, we're teachers. Bad hagwons are the ones skirting around with labor laws and THEY should be held accountable.
One last note the Labor Board isn't scary and they are very pro-worker. I would really advise that you get a Korean to go with you as a translator. If you don't have a Korean friend, translators aren't that expensive to hire. |
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J.Q.A.
Joined: 09 Feb 2017
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:20 am Post subject: |
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| Just tread carefully. |
Yeah, I am not going to do anything now, I'll wait until I finish my contract. It's too risky with only 2 months left.
What some people here fail to understand is that the LB inspectors are like labor police. And if businesses fail to comply with labor laws they can sue them, or fine them. Because my hagwon is breaking a labor law by not giving me breaks, they can be sued by the Labor Board. So my hagwon will have to pay me more money for the breaks I didn't get.
I would advise anyone seeking real help against bad hagwons on this forum, not to listen to certain posters here because believe me, they are not speaking in your best interest. If anyone tells you the LB can't do anything to help you then they are not speaking in your best interest. It's always best to get this info from the horse's mouth, not from some dubious posters on a forum.
DONT TRUST any poster here that tries to blame the worker for a bad contract. These contracts were meant to screw and exploit you, as a foreign worker, as much as possible. It's NOT your fault. We're not lawyers, we're teachers. Bad hagwons are the ones skirting around with labor laws and THEY should be held accountable.
One last note the Labor Board isn't scary and they are very pro-worker. I would really advise that you get a Korean to go with you as a translator. If you don't have a Korean friend, translators aren't that expensive to hire. |
Just do what you need to do, O.P. And, pay no attention to the burned out, eslcafe armchair warriors. There are a few around... |
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SeoulNate
Joined: 04 Jun 2010
Location: Hyehwa
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Because my hagwon is breaking a labor law by not giving me breaks, they can be sued by the Labor Board. So my hagwon will have to pay me more money for the breaks I didn't get.
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100% not true. They are not going to get sued. The labor board will call them, quote the law about required break time. If another complaint comes through, they will levy a fine. You, as the employee, have the option to sue them in regular court, it will have nothing to do with the LB.
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| DONT TRUST any poster here that tries to blame the worker for a bad contract. These contracts were meant to screw and exploit you, as a foreign worker, as much as possible. It's NOT your fault. We're not lawyers, we're teachers. Bad hagwons are the ones skirting around with labor laws and THEY should be held accountable. |
Sorry OP, but you are an idiot. An entitled idiot at that. People on these boards do not blame you for a bad contract, they help. That is what everyone in this thread tried to do, based on experiences that we have actually had in the past.
Your hagwon is not skirting around the labor board. You signed a legal contract and did not want to fulfill your end of the bargain. Even the bit around the required break time sounds a bit fishy, as the law requires a 30 minute break (not paid) for every 4 hours of continuous work. |
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goat
Joined: 23 Feb 2010
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| Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 8:31 pm Post subject: |
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Dear kiki,
Your boat is full of holes.
It will cost more to attempt to save this wreckage than to jump and swim ashore. Take the advice of Seoul Nate and Others.
Yours truly,
goat |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:17 am Post subject: |
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| And, pay no attention to the burned out, eslcafe armchair warriors. There are a few around... |
I would never describe ttompatz, SeoulNate, goat, tophatcat, or even myself as that.
The Labor Board is not pro- or anti-worker, and it is not pro- or anti-boss. It is pro-labor law. LB decisions are based on the labor law. If the board determines you have a contract dispute instead of a labor law issue, then they will advise you to take it up either by negotiating with the boss yourself or by suing the boss yourself. There is no labor board suing anyone. There is the LB levying a fine if egregious or repeated after a warning. Of course the boss can dispute the fine in court, or if it's a pittance, just pay it and chalk it up to learning the ropes. By the way, who do you think the LB investigator is going to believe, you with nothing but your assertion that you didn't get the break time, or the boss with documentation that you did?
The OP freaked out when it was suggested she post the contract minus identifying information. Why doesn't she post it in a thread, really, about a contract dispute? Possible, perhaps likely reason is the contract supports the boss.
Go ahead, OP; sue the boss after you get fired. Just remember there is such a thing as a counter-suit. My prognostication is you're probably going to get canned, with ample documentation from the boss, within three weeks. If that happens, or you sue after your contract is up and you lose, do you have the gumption to return here and report what happened?
Please enjoy your unplanned, unpaid, extended sojourn in the Republic of Korea. |
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Kiki81
Joined: 06 Mar 2017
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:14 am Post subject: |
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| I would never describe ttompatz, SeoulNate, goat, tophatcat, or even myself as that. |
And I have a suspicion that you all are actually recruiters or that you work for hagwons as management. I can't think of any other reason why all of you would post what you have. I can't think of any other reason for the scare tactics and bullying. YOU ALL ACT JUST LIKE BAD HAGWONS. Hence, you are the same creature.
I don't think anyone should trust you for advice on bad hagwons, because you always take the hagwon's side.
I don't trust you at all, and no one else should either. |
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frankhenry
Joined: 13 Mar 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:15 am Post subject: |
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I suggest you rethink the situation. They are on top of the game.
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 2:09 pm Post subject: |
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| I would never describe ttompatz, SeoulNate, goat, tophatcat, or even myself as that. |
And I have a suspicion that you all are actually recruiters or that you work for hagwons as management. I can't think of any other reason why all of you would post what you have. I can't think of any other reason for the scare tactics and bullying. YOU ALL ACT JUST LIKE BAD HAGWONS. Hence, you are the same creature.
I don't think anyone should trust you for advice on bad hagwons, because you always take the hagwon's side.
I don't trust you at all, and no one else should either. |
This is the most delusional post I have seen on this site. |
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J.Q.A.
Joined: 09 Feb 2017
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 4:33 pm Post subject: |
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| I would never describe ttompatz, SeoulNate, goat, tophatcat, or even myself as that. |
And I have a suspicion that you all are actually recruiters or that you work for hagwons as management. I can't think of any other reason why all of you would post what you have. I can't think of any other reason for the scare tactics and bullying. YOU ALL ACT JUST LIKE BAD HAGWONS. Hence, you are the same creature.
I don't think anyone should trust you for advice on bad hagwons, because you always take the hagwon's side.
I don't trust you at all, and no one else should either. |
This is the most delusional post I have seen on this site. |
how so? |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Kiki81 wrote: |
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| I would never describe ttompatz, SeoulNate, goat, tophatcat, or even myself as that. |
And I have a suspicion that you all are actually recruiters or that you work for hagwons as management. I can't think of any other reason why all of you would post what you have. I can't think of any other reason for the scare tactics and bullying. YOU ALL ACT JUST LIKE BAD HAGWONS. Hence, you are the same creature.
I don't think anyone should trust you for advice on bad hagwons, because you always take the hagwon's side.
I don't trust you at all, and no one else should either. |
This is the most delusional post I have seen on this site. |
how so? |
- AFAIK, none of us posting in this thread is a hagweon recruiter.
- AFAIK, none of us posting in this thread works in hagweon management
- A very good reason why we posted what we have posted is the OP is simply wrong.
- There are no scare tactics employed.
- There certainly is no bullying.
- None of us here is acting like the owner of a bad hagweon.
- Nobody's "taking the hagweon's side", merely pointing out facts.
- Anyway, if someone were taking the bad hagweon's side in this case, once is not "always".
- ttompatz has built a great reputation over the years on this site providing incredibly good advice to all and sundry. I think my own reputation here is one of honesty and decency.
- The OP is, yet again, lashing out because she is not hearing what she wants to hear. She's frustrated by a foreign system in a foreign country which does not jibe with her preconceptions of how things not only should, but must, work. She's even posted here what is likely evidence that her current employer is going to terminate her employment early. No doubt the only reason that hasn't happened yet is the employer doesn't have a replacement yet.
Does that about sum it up? |
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Kiki81
Joined: 06 Mar 2017
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:52 pm Post subject: |
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I would advise everyone reading this not to trust these posters. They are not on your side. Everything they have told me has been misinformation or lies. And I really don't trust that they are on your side as a foreign worker. So far they've only taken the hagwons side. Actually it's quite disgusting how they pretend to take your side, but in reality they're saying things that could only protect the hagwon.
And FWI I'm not being fired, I was given a date for my last work day by my boss and it completes my year contract. They did try to force me to resign and I said no. They tried to scare me and berate me but I held my ground. They can't fire me for no real reason and they know that.
My hagwon has had a lot of problems recently, actually they forced all of the Korean teachers who had been there for a while to resign and they brought in new teachers and the boss is resigning at the end of the month. (This is my 5th boss in 10 months).
So, my advice is to keep your chin up and don't listen to these people. They only bring you down. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 9:27 pm Post subject: |
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| I would advise everyone reading this not to trust these posters. They are not on your side. |
And you think the Labor Board is a government watchdog. It's not and nobody posting in this thread is "on the hagweon's side". I explained to you upthread that the Labor Board is on the side of labor law. They are a venue to handle disputes related to labor law. They are not a watchdog, nor are they the equivalent to a union negotiating team.
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| Everything they have told me has been misinformation or lies. |
Be specific. What lies? What misinformation?
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| And I really don't trust that they are on your side as a foreign worker. |
Explaining to you facts, as opposed to pandering to you by assuring you what you wish to be true is true, is actually "on your side".
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| So far they've only taken the hagwons side. Actually it's quite disgusting how they pretend to take your side, but in reality they're saying things that could only protect the hagwon. |
Nobody's taken the hagweon's side. How did any of us pretend to take your side, anyway? Accoding to you, all we've done is take the hagweon's side. The information and advice you've been given in this thread are correct. The labor law protects both the employee and employer in instances where it applies.
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| And FWI I'm not being fired, I was given a date for my last work day by my boss and it completes my year contract. |
Unlikely. If you have already informed your employer that you will not renew, you and the employer already know the last date. If the boss is informing you of the last date, it's likely because that's when your replacement arrives.
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| They did try to force me to resign and I said no. |
Nobody is trying to force you to resign. The boss is trying to get you to do your bloody job. Your dispute--a contract, not labor law dispute--is what does your job entail according to the contract.
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| They tried to scare me and berate me but I held my ground. They can't fire me for no real reason and they know that. |
They have a real reason. That is the focus of your dispute, going by what information you posted here.
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| My hagwon has had a lot of problems recently, actually they forced all of the Korean teachers who had been there for a while to resign and they brought in new teachers and the boss is resigning at the end of the month. (This is my 5th boss in 10 months). |
What happens with Korean nationals is absolutely irrelevant to what happens to foreign employees. The rest of this doesn't make sense; it's nonsense.
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| So, my advice is to keep your chin up and don't listen to these people. They only bring you down. |
You are simply wrong. If your boss can get another foreign teacher on-site before you begin your final month, you're getting canned. Your comments about ttompatz show you have exactly zero clue. |
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J.Q.A.
Joined: 09 Feb 2017
Location: Seoul
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| Posted: Tue Jun 27, 2017 5:22 am Post subject: |
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| I would advise everyone reading this not to trust these posters. They are not on your side. |
And you think the Labor Board is a government watchdog. It's not and nobody posting in this thread is "on the hagweon's side". I explained to you upthread that the Labor Board is on the side of labor law. They are a venue to handle disputes related to labor law. They are not a watchdog, nor are they the equivalent to a union negotiating team.
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| Everything they have told me has been misinformation or lies. |
Be specific. What lies? What misinformation?
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| And I really don't trust that they are on your side as a foreign worker. |
Explaining to you facts, as opposed to pandering to you by assuring you what you wish to be true is true, is actually "on your side".
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| So far they've only taken the hagwons side. Actually it's quite disgusting how they pretend to take your side, but in reality they're saying things that could only protect the hagwon. |
Nobody's taken the hagweon's side. How did any of us pretend to take your side, anyway? Accoding to you, all we've done is take the hagweon's side. The information and advice you've been given in this thread are correct. The labor law protects both the employee and employer in instances where it applies.
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| And FWI I'm not being fired, I was given a date for my last work day by my boss and it completes my year contract. |
Unlikely. If you have already informed your employer that you will not renew, you and the employer already know the last date. If the boss is informing you of the last date, it's likely because that's when your replacement arrives.
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| They did try to force me to resign and I said no. |
Nobody is trying to force you to resign. The boss is trying to get you to do your bloody job. Your dispute--a contract, not labor law dispute--is what does your job entail according to the contract.
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| They tried to scare me and berate me but I held my ground. They can't fire me for no real reason and they know that. |
They have a real reason. That is the focus of your dispute, going by what information you posted here.
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| My hagwon has had a lot of problems recently, actually they forced all of the Korean teachers who had been there for a while to resign and they brought in new teachers and the boss is resigning at the end of the month. (This is my 5th boss in 10 months). |
What happens with Korean nationals is absolutely irrelevant to what happens to foreign employees. The rest of this doesn't make sense; it's nonsense.
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| So, my advice is to keep your chin up and don't listen to these people. They only bring you down. |
You are simply wrong. If your boss can get another foreign teacher on-site before you begin your final month, you're getting canned. Your comments about ttompatz show you have exactly zero clue. |
Yeah I can stand by with ttompatz. He does not attack anyone and has given the best information out of anyone here.
Other than that I can see how the O.P. would be frustrated at a couple of posters. It is interesting how suddenly a school's contract, or terms of, are easily defended when the reality is, the mean squat. |
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CentralCali
Joined: 17 May 2007
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| Posted: Wed Jun 28, 2017 9:18 pm Post subject: |
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She's frustrated because she isn't hearing what she wants to hear. It is she who has attacked other posters in this thread (see her comment about who people work for).
The contract doesn't suddenly mean something. It always means something, even if a sketchy employer wants that to not be the case. The first thing a Labor Board inspector or court judge will ask to see in a dispute is the contract. |
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