Site Search:
 
Speak Korean Now!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

A funny thing happened on the way to leaving a tip
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 3:57 pm    Post subject: A funny thing happened on the way to leaving a tip Reply with quote

Tipping, as wel all know, is not a custom in Korea. However, there are instances when I still do leave (or try to leave) a tip. I don't take many cab rides and the few that I do are usually under 2,000 won. Most are the default 1,600 fare. If I have two 1,000 won notes I give it to the cabbie and bid him a good day.

My Korean friends think I'm utterly crazy. But foreign english teachers are well paid here, cost of living is cheap, cab rides are cheap compared any North American city, and sometimes I feel in a culture where they're highly suspicious of any and all foreigners, creating a culture among cab drivers that "foreigner = tip" makes it a bit easier for all of us.

Another time I was at a bar with a friend and our tab came to about 50,000 won. Again, you don't tip. However, I left 7,000 won on the table. We were heading out of the bar, going down the stairs, when the waitress came screaming out of the bar with the money. In Korean she was shouting that we left money on the table. My co-worker, whose Korean is better, had to explain leaving money for waitresses was "waegook style".

Now when I leave tips in bars, I make sure the waitress has gone into the back and I can slip out in time to disappear into the busy Seoul streets without her tackling me trying to give me the money I "forgot" on the table.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
justagirl



Joined: 17 Jan 2003
Location: Cheonan/Portland

PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 5:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ah ha! This is why the taxi drivers have started keeping my change! It's your fault!

I have enough problems with taxi drivers taking longer routes, slowing down to catch red lights, etc, and now I finally know why they expect the foreigners to pay more than what's on the meter....


Rolling Eyes
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Son Deureo!



Joined: 30 Apr 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 6:48 pm    Post subject: Re: A funny thing happened on the way to leaving a tip Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote:
I feel in a culture where they're highly suspicious of any and all foreigners, creating a culture among cab drivers that "foreigner = tip" makes it a bit easier for all of us.



I'm not so sure that this does make things easier for us. I know *I* don't want people to start expecting tips from me just because I'm a foreigner. And if cabbies start expecting to be able to just keep the change whenever they have a foreign customer, I can imagine this causing more problems than it solves.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do says me. Wink


Last edited by Son Deureo! on Sun May 30, 2004 3:55 am; edited 1 time in total
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
the_beaver



Joined: 15 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 11:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Tips are a dumb-ass idea.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Corporal



Joined: 25 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Sat May 29, 2004 11:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anything that takes more money out of my pocket is a dumbass idea.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
kangnam mafioso



Joined: 27 Jan 2003
Location: Teheranno

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've never had a problem with this. I usually round up the fare in taxis and if they don't want it -- I don't insist. Most drivers seem pleased with a little extra. At real fancy restaurants or bars where the service is great, I will sometimes leave 10% or so but it isn't necessary. When in Rome ...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
peppermint



Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind tipping for good service, but I really hate the obligatory ten percent tip that's added on in some restaurants.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 2:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

That's fine and dandy that you want to be goody two shoes and leave a tip, but why start a precedent?
These taxi drivers, waiters, waitresses, hotel workers and hundreds of other positions are doing these jobs on their own free will. No one is forcing them to work for cheap wages.
If they want to make more money, change vocation. Learn a new skill or trade. Go back to school.
Every job is the same all over the world, the CEO is being paid millions of dollars while the lowery worker makes peanuts. Well, it's about time the peanut workers protest and stop giving these CEO's and business raises and bonuses. Same with the president of a taxi company! They are making big bucks and the drivers don't. Why stand for it? Change jobs!
But don't expect tips for doing what you're already being paid to do. People who leave tips, most I think, also are struggling to make ends meet and I think most resent it.
I of course never leave a tip in America or Canada. My friends cringe when it's time to leave a restaurant or other business! Cause they know I don't tip. I'm cheap Charlie!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
U.S.A.



Joined: 19 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 3:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In a country where tipping isn't expected, I always found dropping an extra 1,000 won here and there garnered significantly better service whenever I returned to a joint (To Insure Proper Service).

What was it out of my pocket? Basically 80 cents. The return, at least in bars, usually meant I got served rapidly. It even gained me a free shot/drink at times. From pizza delivery? The food arrived quickly and every so often they'd throw in an extra soda. In taxis? Usually just a smile. It's not that often you get the same driver (unless you're in a really small town). Beer delivery? Usually arrived quickly and sometimes some anju was added for free. Eateries? Wait staff would often give me extra beef Very Happy (as in food).

Again, what would I tip? Usually just a chun-won. Then again, I heard some bar staff mention their salaries, and an extra thousand won or two was significant (along with never expected).
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Real Reality



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: Seoul

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 3:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mindmetoo wrote,
"But foreign english teachers are well paid here."

Perhaps, you think you are well paid. But, not all foreign English teachers are well paid.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:12 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Real Reality wrote:
mindmetoo wrote,
"But foreign english teachers are well paid here."

Perhaps, you think you are well paid. But, not all foreign English teachers are well paid.


If you're making 2 million a month and you get a free apartment, that works out to a pretty good wage. Based on purchasing power, what you can reasonably save per month, and your actual take home pay as compared to many North American states or provinces, it works out to roughly earning 40K a year back at home.

While I've earned way, way more, when you consider most people here are fresh grads, few can walk into a 40K a year part time job right out of school with a History BA.

The upshot, I don't mind letting a cabbie keep 30 cents so I don't have to wait for him to fumble for change and I can get on with what I really want to do. If it leaves a cabbie happy and creates a positive feeling towards waegooks, all the better. If it pisses off other ESL teachers, that's just cream then.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

peppermint wrote:
I don't mind tipping for good service, but I really hate the obligatory ten percent tip that's added on in some restaurants.


In North America, tips in restaurants are one of the few levers of control we have. Given that most people in public service jobs aren't there for long, the distant threat of you not coming back and their place of business going belly up isn't much of an inducement to provide good service. "Gimme my pay and I'm outta this place when I've earn enough to go to Mexico for spring break!"

I don't like a culture where 15% tips are expected because the person managed to get the food from the kitchen to the table and was able to read your order from a piece of paper. I find too many waiters are like "but I get paid crappy wages so people NEED to tip me!" Tips are not there to subsidize a person's career choice.

Like I say, they're a level of control and one of the few we have and we should be glad in a way. We don't have that lever at a bank or a subway.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
jay-shi



Joined: 09 May 2004
Location: On tour

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i think many parts of Europe have the best take on tip in restaurants. It's included in the price of your meal. When I was living in france the waiters would usually get between 10 to 15 percent of the bill before taxes. So you automatically know they are getting tips. I used to leave a small amount extra sometimes when the service was outstanding, like 50 cents extra, and they were really happy with it. But otherwise I didn't leave anything and no one even blinked.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Visit poster's website
TheUrbanMyth



Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 4:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

And on another thread not so long ago, people were complaining about other people (both foreign and local) being cheap. Laughing
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
CanadaCommando



Joined: 13 Feb 2004
Location: People's Republic of C.C.

PostPosted: Mon May 31, 2004 5:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I dont agree with the added on tip because then it has nothing to do with service...its just an extra charge.
I have no problem tossing the cabbie an extra 300 won if I think he deserves it. That's just how I feel. If I think they took the long route, or the service I get isnt great-no tip. That's just my call...I know Koreans dont expect tips, I just like to give it occasionally.

Anybody that doesnt tip back home....thats just cheap. Tipping is the culture back home. Hellofaniceguy...A nice guy you may be, but not to your servers! If I was your friend, I would cringe when the bill came too. Actually, I would be a lil pissed because I would feel obliged to make up what your tip shoulda been Confused
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Korean Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> General Discussion Forum All times are GMT - 8 Hours
Goto page 1, 2, 3  Next
Page 1 of 3

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

TEFL International Supports Dave's ESL Cafe
TEFL Courses, TESOL Course, English Teaching Jobs - TEFL International