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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| VanIslander wrote: |
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| ...even Shakespeare wrote for money. |
So it is sometimes said. Doubtful, though, when he writes lines like: "He is well paid that is well satisfied." |
Not doubtful at all. I'm not saying that he didn't get any pleasure from writing, but if the money wasn't there he probably would've stuck with silly sonnets.
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| Not that I think anybody around here is educational equivalent of old Will. . . |
Shakespeare was a huge plagarist. I am insulted! And it's beneath you to think so. Before the American self-esteem movement William wrote: "Men at some time are masters of their fates: The fault, dear Brutus, is not in our stars, But in ourselves, that we are underlings." |
Insulted? Why? That'd be a pretty lofty comparison, plagiarist or not.
Beneath me? Underlings? Is this your coy way of flirting with me and letting me know that I can take the top position? My good VanIslander, the Beaver doesn't swing that way.
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Homer
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:07 am Post subject: |
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We all work to earn a living Beaver.
Thats a given.
However in teaching there should be something else.
We are not selling or trading a commodity here. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:11 am Post subject: |
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| Homer wrote: |
| However in teaching there should be something else. |
Not saying that's completely untrue, but I've noticed that a lot of people have altruistic ideas about teaching in particular. The underlying notion being that those who are in it for the money and not doing a good job -- poppycock! I've known lots of teachers who do a good job and are in it for the money.
To make your statement more accurate I think your 'should' would do well to be replaced by 'can.' |
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VanIslander
Joined: 18 Aug 2003
Location: Geoje, Hadong, Tongyeong,... now in a small coastal island town outside Gyeongsangnamdo!
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Homer is alluding to the concept of teaching as a profession.
I can't believe what the Beaver is alluding to.  (Maybe I should've expected it.) I'm glad I didn't use the colloquial "Don't sell yourself short." 
It's difficult to maintain professional standards if you're only trying to maximize income: we have hagwon directors to do that! (and to gripe about) |
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the_beaver
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| VanIslander wrote: |
| I can't believe what the Beaver is alluding to. (Maybe I should've expected it.) I'm glad I didn't use the colloquial "Don't sell yourself short." |
Good one.
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| It's difficult to maintain professional standards if you're only trying to maximize income: we have hagwon directors to do that! (and to gripe about) |
Difficult, yes. But I've known and know some people who are teaching machines and still put out quality with all of their quantity. |
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marista99
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:59 am Post subject: |
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| Now, I realize I'm an ignorant newbie here...but isn't all this private lesson stuff like really illegal? Can't you get deported (or thrown in jail) for doing it? |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:01 am Post subject: |
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| marista99 wrote: |
| Now, I realize I'm an ignorant newbie here...but isn't all this private lesson stuff like really illegal? Can't you get deported (or thrown in jail) for doing it? |
Yes. |
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marista99
Joined: 05 Jun 2004
Location: Incheon
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:15 am Post subject: |
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| the_beaver wrote: |
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| Now, I realize I'm an ignorant newbie here...but isn't all this private lesson stuff like really illegal? Can't you get deported (or thrown in jail) for doing it? |
Yes. |
All right so you don't care if you get deported? |
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the_beaver
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 6:21 am Post subject: |
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| All right so you don't care if you get deported? |
I don't do it. Other people do.
Getting deported from Korea would be one of the worst things that could happen to me. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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2- The B.S. factor in this thread is also reaching new heights....high income money claims have been around for a while and in most of the cases they are just people blowing smoke. |
It's not terribly preposterous if you do some simple math.
An average rate of 30,000/hr on a 40 hr week is 4.8 million Won/mnth. If you tweak that rate, add some group lessons and use some simple salesmanship to get your avg. rate up to 40-50,000/hr, then you're making no small amount of change.
Believe me, there are lots of things going on like this, in this country. I've done it, seen it, hang with others that are doing it now. Just because you're not seeing it, doesn't mean that it's not happening. |
He didn't say it wasn't happening. He said that in MOST cases they are people blowing smoke. There are numberous people claiming that they get paid 2.5 or more from their job, yet they never yet seem to be able to produce a pay slip to back up their claims. And as for doing privates, methinks the number is far smaller than claimed. In a lot of cases it's just B.S as the poster makes some ridiculous claims. I remember one case a while back where the poster was claiming 150,000 won per person per lesson, 4-6 people per lesson for three years. First off, where did he find these wealthy people who have the time? Secondly why would they go in a group instead of getting one-on-one instruction (especially for that price) Thirdly why couldn't they find someone who was cheaper? And lastly that kind of time sounds unlikely to say the least. |
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Kiddirts
Joined: 25 Jul 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:47 pm Post subject: hey man... |
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| well, this poster's not blowing smoke. If you want to work hard, then Korea is the land of opportunity. I work VERY hard...and believe it or not, I also have the time to prepare very well. In my AM business class, unlimited use of a copier and the internet works wonders. I know people with a relatively "light schedule" under 40 hours a week making almost 5.0 and this is by getting most of his work through a computer. My tip is this...think of your daily hours as many puzzle pieces...just fit them together bearing in mind the location of your work. Today, the CEO of another business I work at needs me to go over a powerpoint presentation he has to give, so at an extra 50,000/hr...today comes to 475,000 won (that is rare). Usually I'm around 300,000 with 150,000 for 4 hours on Saturday...well, that's why I'm in Korea. |
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Dr. Buck
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Land of the Morning Clam
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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Kiddirts--way to go. Keep it up and don't let the anti-private factions get you down.
Getting deported, fines---big deal. Bring it on. Just the cost of doing business. It's amazing how many E-2 teachers are content with their salaries, provided apartments and visa situation. They are simply slaves to their hogwon masters.
Do what you want to do and do it with impunity and no regrets. |
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the_beaver
Joined: 15 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 5:59 pm Post subject: |
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Kiddirts--way to go. Keep it up and don't let the anti-private factions get you down.
Getting deported, fines---big deal. Bring it on. Just the cost of doing business. It's amazing how many E-2 teachers are content with their salaries, provided apartments and visa situation. They are simply slaves to their hogwon masters.
Do what you want to do and do it with impunity and no regrets. |
Why wouldn't I be content with my salary and visa situation? (I don't have a provided apartment nor am I a slave to my hagwon master [I don't have a hagwon master])
I live comfortably, teach around 16 (max) hours a week and get over 5 months vacation.
The question, why is money so important that you race after it faster than one dog's nose going to another dog's ass? |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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Kiddirts--way to go. Keep it up and don't let the anti-private factions get you down.
Getting deported, fines---big deal. . |
Although if you get deported and banned from the country, then it will be a big deal, as you will no longer be making this kind of money. As for fines, some teachers have found the bulk of their bank balance confiscated. If you send money overseas as a way of avoiding this, then you will sit in jail until you do pay the fine. It would then take a long time to build back up to where you were before...and that's assuming your privates haven't found someone else while you were in detention and paying the fine. |
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Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:20 pm Post subject: |
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It's natural to take the high paying privates people offer you, and they will only offer them to you if you're a good teacher with a good reputation. Korean people are not as silly as they used to be with privates, they don't just throw their money away. My 2 privates have come directly through the reputation I have earned at my place of work as a teacher and are within Kiddirts' range of expected pay. So if the man really is earning the money he says he is, then I expect he is teaching proficiently and to the best of his ability, because if he wasn't then he'd lose his customers. Fortunately, I think Korea is becoming a rather discerning customer, less and less room for slackers and freeloaders.
I wonder if there is a need to come to Dave's to talk about it, but then I suppose it is useful to see what others are making. I don't hide the fact, but I don't give away too many of my trade secrets either.  |
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