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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
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To be clear. I do not condone racism in any form, whether it comes from Koreans or white. Yes, I have no doubt that it is very unpleasant to hear one's lover compared to a *beep*. That however, does not give one the right then to turn around and use the same terms or worse about the "vast majority" whom he has never met.
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Sorry? Did I call the vast majority of other Koreans whores? Quotes please. What a nasty piece of work you are. Your lies will be exposed. |
Actually I never said YOU did. I said it does not "give one the right to turn around and use the same terms or worse" I was addressing my remarks to all the racists on this board, not you personally. When I address you I will use your name G-boy.
Nice attempt at a red herring though. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| . Your lies will be exposed. |
Says the person who says he never compared Koreans to Nazis despite the fact it is posted in this very thread for all to see. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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| . Your lies will be exposed. |
Says the person who says he never compared Koreans to Nazis despite the fact it is posted in this very thread for all to see. |
You are twisting my words to suit your nasty little agenda. I said that opposition to inter racial marriages is Nazi esque, and that opposition to inter racial marraiges is extremely common in this country. The quote is for all to see on the previous page. Let them read it. Your lies are slowly unraveling. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
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To be clear. I do not condone racism in any form, whether it comes from Koreans or white. Yes, I have no doubt that it is very unpleasant to hear one's lover compared to a *beep*. That however, does not give one the right then to turn around and use the same terms or worse about the "vast majority" whom he has never met.
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Sorry? Did I call the vast majority of other Koreans whores? Quotes please. What a nasty piece of work you are. Your lies will be exposed. |
Actually I never said YOU did. I said it does not "give one the right to turn around and use the same terms or worse" I was addressing my remarks to all the racists on this board, not you personally. When I address you I will use your name G-boy.
Nice attempt at a red herring though. |
The terms are "prostitute and *beep*". Did I use the same terms or worse to describe Koreans? As you have already labeled me a racist I took it that your post was directed at me. Are you now withdrawing that insult? |
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Psy
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Location: Hongdae
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 10:55 pm Post subject: |
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| I said that opposition to inter racial marriages is Nazi esque, and that opposition to inter racial marraiges is extremely common in this country. |
But, how so? I don't consider myself to be a racist but, I don't see how being opposed to interracial marriages is Nazi esque. If my daughter wanted to marry outside her race, I'd probably be opposed to it. But, I'd also probably do as she wishes. Is this being Nazi esque? Extremely common in this country? Probably.
Anyway,
Here's a link to a definition of minorities.
Gender is and always will be considered as a categorization of minorities. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Wed Jun 16, 2004 11:32 pm Post subject: |
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| I said that opposition to inter racial marriages is Nazi esque, and that opposition to inter racial marraiges is extremely common in this country. |
But, how so? I don't consider myself to be a racist but, I don't see how being opposed to interracial marriages is Nazi esque. If my daughter wanted to marry outside her race, I'd probably be opposed to it. But, I'd also probably do as she wishes. Is this being Nazi esque? Extremely common in this country? Probably. |
Being opposed to inter racial marriage is Nazi esque. How could you possibly deny it? Indeed, almost all aspects of Nazi policy was racially motivated. Can you remember the Nuremburg laws during the 1930s. An intergral part of those laws was the prohibition of inter racial marriage.
Labeling opposition to inter racial marriages as Nazi esque is far from controversial. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:04 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
To be clear. I do not condone racism in any form, whether it comes from Koreans or white. Yes, I have no doubt that it is very unpleasant to hear one's lover compared to a *beep*. That however, does not give one the right then to turn around and use the same terms or worse about the "vast majority" whom he has never met.
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Sorry? Did I call the vast majority of other Koreans whores? Quotes please. What a nasty piece of work you are. Your lies will be exposed. |
Actually I never said YOU did. I said it does not "give one the right to turn around and use the same terms or worse" I was addressing my remarks to all the racists on this board, not you personally. When I address you I will use your name G-boy.
Nice attempt at a red herring though. |
The terms are "prostitute and *beep*". Did I use the same terms or worse to describe Koreans? As you have already labeled me a racist I took it that your post was directed at me. Are you now withdrawing that insult? |
Learn to read. I said "ONE" not "YOU". If I had been directing my post at you personally I would have used your name. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:15 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
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To be clear. I do not condone racism in any form, whether it comes from Koreans or white. Yes, I have no doubt that it is very unpleasant to hear one's lover compared to a *beep*. That however, does not give one the right then to turn around and use the same terms or worse about the "vast majority" whom he has never met.
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Sorry? Did I call the vast majority of other Koreans whores? Quotes please. What a nasty piece of work you are. Your lies will be exposed. |
Actually I never said YOU did. I said it does not "give one the right to turn around and use the same terms or worse" I was addressing my remarks to all the racists on this board, not you personally. When I address you I will use your name G-boy.
Nice attempt at a red herring though. |
The terms are "prostitute and *beep*". Did I use the same terms or worse to describe Koreans? As you have already labeled me a racist I took it that your post was directed at me. Are you now withdrawing that insult? |
Learn to read. I said "ONE" not "YOU". If I had been directing my post at you personally I would have used your name. |
That however, does not give one the right then to turn around and use the same terms or worse about the "vast majority" whom he has never met.
I have learnt to read. Coupled with the fact that you labeled me a racist, and the context of this sentence how could I possibly think you were speaking to anyone else?
I take it you have moved away from calling me a racist then? I expect an apology is forthcoming. |
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Barking Mad Lord Snapcase
Joined: 04 Nov 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 12:51 am Post subject: |
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I never said that quote that you attribute to me. Nice attempt at libel though. Shows desperation when people go to the trouble of making up "evidence" even though it is totally false. |
I apologise for my thoughtless attempt at satire. I did not attribute the quote to you, but rather as an exaggerated, simplified representation of an attitude prevalent among expats with a superiority complex.
I'll edit my post right now to give it a more appropriate contect. |
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rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:12 am Post subject: |
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| You guys should get a room together. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 1:45 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy has gone over the top, my apologies, I miss his post with the nazi reference. |
Dont' let this imposter get away with this. His lies have just been exposed. Hopefully you will read the previous page, and you can see what an intellectual light weight the UrbanMyth is. |
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On the other hand
Joined: 19 Apr 2003
Location: I walk along the avenue
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 2:45 am Post subject: |
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Being opposed to inter racial marriage is Nazi esque. How could you possibly deny it? Indeed, almost all aspects of Nazi policy was racially motivated. Can you remember the Nuremburg laws during the 1930s. An intergral part of those laws was the prohibition of inter racial marriage.
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The fact that the Nazis were opposed to inter-racial marriages does not make ALL opposition to inter-racial marriages nazi-esque. It depends on whether or not the bigot in question opposes inter-racial marriage for the same reason that the Nazis did, ie. maintaining blood purity. My mother used to tsk-tsk when she saw interracial couples walking down the street because, according to her, it is psychologically difficult for children to be raised in an inter-racial household, what with different values, stigmatization, etc etc. Now I think that's pretty lame, and was probably a bit of a rationalization for her own CULTURAL discomfort with visible minorities. But I'm pretty sure that she didn't subscribe to Nazi-style racial ideologies, and in fact probably had only the faintest idea about what those ideologies involved. |
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Gwangjuboy
Joined: 08 Jul 2003
Location: England
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 3:02 am Post subject: |
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Being opposed to inter racial marriage is Nazi esque. How could you possibly deny it? Indeed, almost all aspects of Nazi policy was racially motivated. Can you remember the Nuremburg laws during the 1930s. An intergral part of those laws was the prohibition of inter racial marriage.
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The fact that the Nazis were opposed to inter-racial marriages does not make ALL opposition to inter-racial marriages nazi-esque. It depends on whether or not the bigot in question opposes inter-racial marriage for the same reason that the Nazis did, ie. maintaining blood purity. My mother used to tsk-tsk when she saw interracial couples walking down the street because, according to her, it is psychologically difficult for children to be raised in an inter-racial household, what with different values, stigmatization, etc etc. Now I think that's pretty lame, and was probably a bit of a rationalization for her own CULTURAL discomfort with visible minorities. But I'm pretty sure that she didn't subscribe to Nazi-style racial ideologies, and in fact probably had only the faintest idea about what those ideologies involved. |
I am not uncomfortable with labeling opposition to inter racial marriage as "Nazi esque". "Cultural discomfort" sounds like a great excuse for closet racists. Those Koreans who labeled my girlfriend a prostitute for being with a white man can certainly be accused of wanting to preserve Korean blood purity. |
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shortskirt_longjacket
Joined: 06 Jun 2004
Location: fitz and ernie are my raison d'etre
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 4:57 am Post subject: |
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| rapier wrote: |
| You guys should get a room together. |
yeah, no shite. you boys wanna take this outside, please?
i'm dissappointed that an otherwise scintillating thread has been clogged up by these two slagging each other. here's a tip for new readers of this thread: just skip pages, like, 4 to 8 and you should be fine.
in relation to the actual post: i find it interesting that we keep quibbling over the definition of 'minority' and, to a lesser extent, 'racism' but no one but one poster (i think...correct me if i'm wrong) has actually hinted at getting a good working definition of "nazi-esque" thinking for this post. such an inflammatory label and yet no one (G-boy and TheUrbanMyth, specifically) cares about understanding what one actually means when one uses "nazi" as an adjective for anything.
i don't think the korean pure-blood mentality comes from a desire to create a physically/intellectually superior race that will spread its inherrent domination all over the world. that sort of thing is what's conjured up in [/i]my[i] mind when i hear the word 'nazi.' maybe by insisting on 'pure blood', koreans want to cling to their cultural identity in one of the most basic ways. i think it's a piss-poor way to do it (they should make their own cultural identity by not trying so damn hard to be like western countries w/r/t fashion, music, cinema, commercialism, etc.), but i don't think you can put their motivations on par with the world-domination-seeking nazis. maybe they're a little irked that the united states is still holding their hand to go to the toilet (i'm speaking about the heavy military presence here) and they wanna say, "hey, we don't need you...we're having a bang-up time being koreans without you westerners horning in on our deal." i'm in no way excusing their pure-blood mentality...i'm just thinking maybe there's a little bit of backlash involved in their motivation. they've had their feelings hurt by us (i'm trivializing, i realize, but i'm trying to illustrate a point, so bear with me) and it makes sense that they'd be a bit put off by further "threats" to their "race" by westerners.
let me put this in all caps so i'm not lambasted by posters who don't read carefully enough: THIS IS NO EXCUSE FOR RACISM. RACISM IS BAD IN ANY FORM. THAT SAID, IT IS NOT IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND RACISM IN TERMS OF ITS MOTIVATIONS. and i think it's a whole lot more interesting to talk about that instead of why or how it's bad. it's pretty obvious that racism is bad; the effects of racism are pretty obvious as well. aren't you the least bit curious as to why other human beings (who are more like oneself than one is capable of understanding) treat each other so badly? it's not just because they're jackasses...it comes from somewhere. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Thu Jun 17, 2004 5:00 am Post subject: |
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| Gwangjuboy wrote: |
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| Gwangjuboy has gone over the top, my apologies, I miss his post with the nazi reference. |
Dont' let this imposter get away with this. His lies have just been exposed. Hopefully you will read the previous page, and you can see what an intellectual light weight the UrbanMyth is. |
Intellectual lightweight? That is funny coming from a person who has never met the "vast majority" of Koreans, and yet feels comfortable labeling them nazi-esque. Did you meet this "vast majority" personally and was their English good enough so they were able to inform you that they were against inter-racial dating?
You took the behaviour of a few dozen or few hundred and extended it to cover the "vast majority" of Koreans. All this without even meeting or speaking to them. At best that is ignorant, and at worst that is racist.
I personally know ten interracial couples. Their parents, families and friends approve. Other teachers on the board have reported that they were also well-treated by their girlfriend's family. There are many tolerant Koreans.
Now you compared yourself to a "black" man living in the Deep South in the 50's. Not only is this a silly comparision as you get better paid, and more personal freedom, but you trivialize and degrade those very people who had to fight for basic freedoms. This comparision does not hold up. If a black man had walked down the streets of these states, holding a white woman's hand he would likely be given a severe beating if not lynched. We on the other hand can walk down the streets with at most a hostile glance or comment. There are many teachers here with Korean girlfriends. Some have encountered these glances and comments, and some have never had any trouble.
Now let's move on to your contradictions, which you have been avoiding.
At first you claimed your situation was like that of a black man in the Deep South in the 50's. Now this situation was quite terrible. Naturally I questioned why you would stay in such a situation. You then changed gears and said "Are you suggesting that I should leave because some Koreans have labled my girlfriend a *beep* for being with me?"
So which is it? Are you being treated badly or is it just some ignorant Koreans engaging in name-calling?
Now for the last time, I do not condone racist behaviour whether from whites or Koreans. Both are equally bad. But if this situation is so bad, could you not move to another city with your girlfriend? Now I am aware that you probably both have jobs there, but are they worth putting up with the racists for? Now if you wish to label those Koreans who insulted you and your girlfriend racist, that would seem to be correct. Extending the label to the "vast majority" though smacks of prejudice.
Tell you what. You withdraw the "vast majority" remark and I will withdraw the racist remark. As the one prompted the other, I think that is a fair exchange. |
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