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the saint
Joined: 09 Dec 2003
Location: not there yet...
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 Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: How to control the little devils... |
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Why? Because my Director says I will be fired if I can't keep them quiet during class.
Sidenote: she also said, controlling them is more important than learning |
She's got a point here and I think it is good that she has this view. It lets you off the hook for making sure they actually learn English which, quite frankly, seems unlikely.
If they don't behave, they won't learn anyway.
Perhaps you could simply try some team-building activities and directing their energy into things that will be fun for them but are non-linguistic. I used to make two goals in teh classroom with tables and use a small foam ball to play football with a class of boys every time. If they were dorks we didn't play, plain and simple. They were very rarely dorks after that. Sometimes we would play for 20 mins of the class simply because I knew that they needed this release. If you have a sympathetic director you are half way there in your support of sport int he classroom  |
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Eazy_E
Joined: 30 Oct 2003
Location: British Columbia, Canada
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| Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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Get them to discipline each other. It's more effective than any screaming and yelling you can do, which is really just amusing for them.
Implement some kind of rewards system, ie. my school has a scheme with signatures that they can eventually use to get food and toys. Split them into teams at the beginning of class and draw a picture for each team. Warn them that if they go apes**t and you have to yell at them, you'll erase part of the picture. If the picture disappears, so does the signature that you would have given to each person in that team.
It's best to put the worst-behaved kids in a team with the brown nosers or the most competitive types. The ones that really care about winning will crack down on the brats.
This is the best solution I've found, but no discipline scheme works 100%. In some cases this system even encourages them to misbehave because they see it as a goal to lose their signature for that day. Sometimes there's not much you can do about that. |
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mindmetoo
Joined: 02 Feb 2004
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| sistersarah wrote: |
i think a lot of students see us waygook teachers as somehow unreal.....like, they're thinking, what are you doing here? what are you saying??? --they naturally think we're very strange.
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My feeling is kids generally have a sense like "you're not part of us, I don't have to listen to you". They're under the gaze of a Korean adult from the moment they wake until the moment they go to bed. They have scant time to be children. And suddenly for an hour a day they're no longer under the control of a Korean adult. Time to bust loose.
The biggest mistake is to treat them like little adults capable of reason. Reason is one of the tools but you also sometimes have to start off with a strong hand. "I'm not going to put up with any crap!" And then slowly ease up.
Also it's better to reward students for behavior you want to see instead of punishing them for bad behavior.
Offer a cookie party for good behavior. Give them 10 outs or something. Everytime a student acts out, take one away. Warn them if it hits zero there will be no cookie party. The defacto class leaders might step in to save the day.
I don't smack a kid but some of the other Korean teachers do. And if they find the student ejected into the hall, they get an old school beating. I do warn them that if they're ejected from my class, they might find themselves in a heap of trouble.
Another good tactic is not just eject the sprog but stand him right outside the door to the director's office. |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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| Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 3:19 am Post subject: |
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The more I teach, the more totalitarian I become in a classroom.
The times I got the angriest were when the kids went through a phase of punching me in the balls. That really pushed me over the deep end for a week. . |
Why did you let it go on for so long? |
Cause they kept catching me when I wasn't looking... and I'd scream and yell and they'd laugh. That was when I found out that throwing desks was the most effective way of getting their attention. |
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SweetBear
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| I took over a smallish group of kindies after a co worker got punched in the balls once too often and refused to teach them any more. I had my skirt pulled all the way down and was dong chimmed when my back was turned. I hung in there but told the K. teacher who also taught them that this was totally unacceptable and threatened to go to the director. Things magically improved after that. Before that none of the tradtional methods had worked. It made me wonder... |
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ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
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Yeah, what's with this:
I'll be standing in front of a kid in the hallway talking to them or a teacher and they come up and stand next to me. Then just randomly, they reach out and try and pull up my shirt. I don't even have br**sts! I'm trying very hard to not get to the point where every child has to remain 10 feet away from me at all times (even that isn't effective, I got a running ddong chim one time... that kid had a 20 foot approach and man that sucked) |
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SweetBear
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| ryleeys wrote: |
Yeah, what's with this:
I'll be standing in front of a kid in the hallway talking to them or a teacher and they come up and stand next to me. Then just randomly, they reach out and try and pull up my shirt. I don't even have br**sts! I'm trying very hard to not get to the point where every child has to remain 10 feet away from me at all times (even that isn't effective, I got a running ddong chim one time... that kid had a 20 foot approach and man that sucked) |
I think it's the hair with guys. K kids seem to have no concept of appropriate behaviour, at least when it comes to foreigners. They have this belief that we are strange specimens from another planet. They can poke and prod. I guess they aren't taught to have any boundaries with us. I make it a point to set boundaries, too bad it didn't work for the kindies at first   |
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