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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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 Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 6:58 am Post subject: Re: Gotta love an idealist... |
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| Michelle wrote: |
Yep,
You gotta love an idealist CacheSurfer.... |
and frickin' proud of it too.
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:03 am Post subject: |
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| oneiros wrote: |
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If it was a true (no-school-work-at-all) break, then yes I agree with you whole heartedly.
However I've yet to meet a teacher doesn't use the break between classes to do something school\teaching related, be it lesson planning or entertaining the kiddies. |
Again, I make the distinction between assigned and unassigned duties. If the director says "You have to supervise the kids between classes", that's assigned duties. If you're doing it because you think it's a professional thing to do, that's wonderful, but it's something you've just volunteered to do.
And most schools I know of count prep time as unpaid. I'm not saying that's right. I'm just saying that's the way most contracts treat it, so you can't turn around after you've signed and ask to be paid for it. |
Prep time is unpaid and that is stated in most contracts. i totally can agree with that.
looking after the kids between classes is an unspoken rule.
don't do it and you'll get crap. i think it qualifies as an assigned duty. |
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oneiros
Joined: 19 Aug 2003
Location: Villa Straylight
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:10 am Post subject: |
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| cacheSurfer wrote: |
Prep time is unpaid and that is stated in most contracts. i totally can agree with that.
looking after the kids between classes is an unspoken rule.
don't do it and you'll get crap. i think it qualifies as an assigned duty. |
Then here's what I'd do, unless your work ethic gets the better of you.
Don't look after the kids for a few days. When your boss gives you hell over it, say "I'm not getting paid for this time. If you expect me to work during the time between classes, you need to pay me for it."
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:25 am Post subject: |
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| oneiros wrote: |
| cacheSurfer wrote: |
Prep time is unpaid and that is stated in most contracts. i totally can agree with that.
looking after the kids between classes is an unspoken rule.
don't do it and you'll get crap. i think it qualifies as an assigned duty. |
Then here's what I'd do, unless your work ethic gets the better of you.
Don't look after the kids for a few days. When your boss gives you hell over it, say "I'm not getting paid for this time. If you expect me to work during the time between classes, you need to pay me for it."
Legal disclaimer: Post intended for informative purposes only. All contents are merely suggestions. Poster will not be held liable if readers are terminated from employment after following suggestion above. |
i like the legal disclaimer.
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| cacheSurfer wrote: |
looking after the kids between classes is an unspoken rule.
don't do it and you'll get crap. i think it qualifies as an assigned duty. |
Then you are working at a bad hakwon. I've never had to look after the kids between classes. During those times, I go into the staffroom and prep for next class. Nor have I ever heard of a foreign teacher having to look after the kids between classes (you are the first).
(Now some idiots are going to jump on the bandwagon and claim that they have to look after the kids between classes). |
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cacheSurfer
Joined: 07 Dec 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jun 30, 2004 7:59 am Post subject: |
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| TheUrbanMyth wrote: |
| cacheSurfer wrote: |
looking after the kids between classes is an unspoken rule.
don't do it and you'll get crap. i think it qualifies as an assigned duty. |
Then you are working at a bad hakwon. I've never had to look after the kids between classes. During those times, I go into the staffroom and prep for next class. Nor have I ever heard of a foreign teacher having to look after the kids between classes (you are the first).
(Now some idiots are going to jump on the bandwagon and claim that they have to look after the kids between classes). |
yeah, it's not like i've been directly told to watch the kids, but it kinda goes along with the job.
my "staffroom" is my classroom.
all my materials and books are there.
maybe the contracts need to be more specific as to what a 30 hour week really is.
i guess every director/teacher has a different opinion. |
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Grotto
Joined: 21 Mar 2004
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| Posted: Fri Jul 02, 2004 5:52 am Post subject: you get what you pay for |
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You only want to pay for time spent in the class? Then dont ask me to do any prep, marking, phoning or social events.
If you think prep is not part of the job...then you are either stupid, naive or retarded. Preparation is an important part of teaching.
Any contract I sign will stipulate no more than 6 40-50 minute classes per day. I am willing to donate 30 minutes of preparation per day. Anything over that I want to be paid for. Is this unreal? I dont think so. As a chef I didnt only get paid for cooking the lobster...I got paid for doing hours of prep. Do secretaries only get paid when they are actually answering phones, typing etc,,,or do they also get paid for internet shopping...ours does. To expect more work for no pay is unrealistic.
I think the mindset of many 'teachers?' needs to change. Whats that mister money hungry hogwan owner??? you want me to donate an extra 30 hours a month of my time so your school can be even more successful? Screw you and the dog you rode in on!
Oh yes hogwans are businesses, some are good, some are bad. I have read it on this board before that one persons heaven is another persons hell.
It makes me sick when people come on this board and try to justify donating excess time for nothing. There needs to be a limit...30 minutes is mine. You should set yours!
Do the math: I donate 30 minutes a day of my time = 2.5 hours a week=10 hours a month= 190,000 won. If they want more they can pay for it. Stop being a sap! |
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