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| Females only - do you apply? |
| Yes, I would read and apply for such a job. |
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| No, I don't read/apply for such positions. |
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19% |
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| Only if the position was really good. |
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13% |
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| No, I'm male (this option for the smart-ass faction) |
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Alyallen
Joined: 29 Mar 2004
Location: The 4th Greatest Place on Earth = Jeonju!!!
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 Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:28 pm Post subject: Re: Females only - do you apply? |
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| Zed wrote: |
| Just wondering if the women who wouldn't apply for a "whites/Caucasian only" job would use the same principles here. |
Never applied to "females only" jobs.
My gender and race have nothing to do with my ability to do a job.
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:57 pm Post subject: |
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| At my current gig, I was told they'd prefer a man, but they'd interview me anyway. |
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Zed
Joined: 20 Jan 2003
Location: Shakedown Street
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| Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:52 pm Post subject: |
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| But you're one of the guys Peppermint. |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 8:33 am Post subject: |
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| I'm white, I'm a woman, so OF COURSE!!! It's nice to experience "reverse discrimination" now and then!!! |
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peppermint
Joined: 13 May 2003
Location: traversing the minefields of caddishness.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 12:45 pm Post subject: |
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| Zed wrote: |
| But you're one of the guys Peppermint. |
That may be true, but I certainly don't carry myself that way at a job interview. |
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SweetBear
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 1:10 pm Post subject: |
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| phaedrus wrote: |
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| Isn't balancing the numbers a recognition that it makes a difference whether a man or woman is doing the job, and therefore sexist? |
No, I don't think so, not in this case anyway. |
I see. There is no difference between a woman's and a man's work, but they would just prefer a woman?
What happened to equality? Are women more equal than men? |
I'm not a big debater Phadreus, sorry. If you're looking for equality you may want to seek it and that's just fine with me. In these particular cases the directors obviously had no problem with male teachers or the ratio wouldn't have been as high, male to female to begin with. |
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Fri Jul 09, 2004 5:49 pm Post subject: |
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| SweetBear wrote: |
| I'm not a big debater Phadreus, sorry. If you're looking for equality you may want to seek it and that's just fine with me. In these particular cases the directors obviously had no problem with male teachers or the ratio wouldn't have been as high, male to female to begin with. |
Would you be saying that if you were denied the "GREATEST JOB IN THE WORLD" that you spent years trying to get, and instead it was handed to a girl who had no skills of comparitable value but was hired simply because she was the sole female candidate? I think not. |
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Ilsanman
Joined: 15 Aug 2003
Location: Bucheon, Korea
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 12:28 am Post subject: yes |
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I think it takes me more work to send them my resume than it takes for them to delete it.
My time is more valuable than theirs (in my opinion) so no, I don't apply. |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Sat Jul 10, 2004 3:45 am Post subject: |
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Look folks, I grew up in a time where there was plenty of discrimination against women in the US. There were no recreational sports for girls (What? Girls play Little Leage? No Way!), almost no women elected officials and virtually every senior company official was a man. The women were expected to type the letters, get the coffee, shine the shoes and provide "other services" if you know what I mean.
Korea is still developing its social conscience. The women of THIS generation are going to be the ones that have to fight the male-dominated corporate structure. Hagwons, while generally one-owner run, HAVE changed in the time that I've been here. Sure, some are still asking for "white, female, beautiful, thin 24 year olds", but a majority of them HAVE realized that guys can teach kindy as well (and sometimes better!) than women, and that older teachers can be as effective (and sometimes more so!) than younger ones. When I first came here, there was considerable age discrimination One director even said "Wow, I didn't realize you were so old!...She ended up hiring me and cried when I left!
For those of you ALREADY working in a hagwon that posts this kind of ad, it's up to YOU to gently point out to your boss that maybe the perfect teacher is NOT of the gender, age or race that they have their mind set on. |
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OiGirl
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
Location: Hoke-y-gun
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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Another possibility may be that they have shared housing and don't want to put men and women together, so they are hiring to fill the available bedroom.
Would you apply for a job in this situation? |
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ajuma
Joined: 18 Feb 2003
Location: Anywere but Seoul!!
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 3:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Good point! Actually, in one of my first jobs, I lived in a 3 bedroom place with one other girl and a guy. The owner didn't see it as a problem...and neither did we! |
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SweetBear
Joined: 18 May 2003
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 8:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Gord wrote: |
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| I'm not a big debater Phadreus, sorry. If you're looking for equality you may want to seek it and that's just fine with me. In these particular cases the directors obviously had no problem with male teachers or the ratio wouldn't have been as high, male to female to begin with. |
Would you be saying that if you were denied the "GREATEST JOB IN THE WORLD" that you spent years trying to get, and instead it was handed to a girl who had no skills of comparitable value but was hired simply because she was the sole female candidate? I think not. |
Are you asking me or telling me? |
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sparkx
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
Location: thekimchipot.com
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| Posted: Sun Aug 01, 2004 9:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Ilsanman wrote: |
I think it takes me more work to send them my resume than it takes for them to delete it.
My time is more valuable than theirs (in my opinion) so no, I don't apply. |
This is a good point. Most employers, in any country, have a good idea of the type of employee they want to hire before interviews even start. Whether its a teacher, bartender or corporate executive, the gender of the potential employee is most often predetermined. The difference is that back home you can't allude to this preference.
I too like the fact that knowing this information beforehand would save me valuable time -- just skip over it and move on. |
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