|
Korean Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Teachers from Around the World!"
|
| View previous topic :: View next topic |
| Author |
Message |
dogbert
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
Location: Killbox 90210
|
 Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:10 pm Post subject: |
 |
|
| Why do Koreans have to be knowledgeable about pre-1990 Western pop music? What about their own pre-1990 pop music? Judge them in that context. |
|
| Back to top |
|
 |
discostar23
Joined: 22 Feb 2004
Location: getting the hell out of dodge
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:25 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Apple Scruff wrote: |
| discostar23 wrote: |
Ok first of all You are complaining they don't know anything earlier then the 1990's and you contridicted yourself (with or without you U2 came out in 1987).
I agree the koreans have strange at best tastes in music. I am not about to judge them because as I have come to realize not everyone has the same views on what is good and bad in music.
Also the people you mentioned Marvin Gaye, Otis Redding I think you would be hard pressed to find an individual in their 20's who knows who these people are and knows the impact they have had on music. Same goes for Cream. Really the only reason I know this music is because of watching re-runs of Ed Sullivan and sifting through my fathers record collection.
I am not disagreeing with you that these people and bands are important and the pop music sucks the biscit at the moment but you just have to come to realize that being so educated in music seems to be a western thing. |
I am in my early 20's and have been well aware of people like Marvin and Otis since high school. I have never seen a single episode of Ed Sullivan and my parents never had a record collection. People who believe that radio-friendly, mass-marketed pop is the pinnacle of the music world are just plain musically uneducated. If they sought out classics that were mentioned by the OP, they'd steadily realize that the stuff is classic for a reason - it has lasting appeal. Commercial pop is empty and disposable. After 15 or 20 years, it is always looked back on with a giggle and a "What were we thinking?", ala New Kids on the Block, Paula Abdul, and anything Michael Jackson did after 'Thriller'. |
I am also in my early twenties and what I am trying to say that you have to do music research into those bands because they were recorded before we were born. I have met a lot of foreigners who know nothing about music and I think it is NAIVE to think that everyone has had the passion and time to seek out bands like those.
I agree with The man known as the man westerners are simply too snobby about their music tastes. I say go and interview some kids in collage in america or canada and ask them what impact bands like cream had on the music industry....you'll be surprised at their answers |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
|
| Posted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:29 pm Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| I say go and interview some kids in collage in america or canada and ask them what impact bands like cream had on the music industry |
Cream didn't have a big impact on the music industry. A progressive experimental blues rock trio with long experimental jams and not to big on the vocal hooks? No, that did not go on to become a staple sound in the music pantheon. Jimi Hendrix worked that format to much better effect because of his sheer guitar virtuosity, and he had more incisive lyrics and vocal hooks too. Clapton matured as a song writer later and made some classic contributions, but not enough to change his perception from guitarist to song writer.
Rock/Pop music is not a Korean tradition for one thing. They are essentially absorbing influences and immitating, so it's no wonder they have not produced the same stellar results. Remember, they had no "60's and early 70's music/cultural explosion". They went straight from "trot" to the super lightweight rip off's of american rnb in a pop style that they have today. Thier "dance" music is just pure melodic fluff set to a tacky naive house/techno beat. They just don't have the depth of musical legacy to work with. The wise man built his house upon the rock remember!
Also, in the west music has come to have a lot of cultural weight. It "means" something. People express who they are, what groups they associate with, thier political beliefs, philosophy, and so on, with what music they associate with. This is expressed in the variety of potent and distinct music styles that have been produced. Rockabilly, RocknRoll, Rock, Pop, Indie, Grunge, Soul, Funk, Jazz, RnB, Disco, Heavy Rock, Hard Rock, Heavy Metal, Speed Metal, Death Metal, Black Metal, Hard Core, Punk, Prog Rock, Ambient, World Music, Folk, Country, Blues, Psychedelia, Hip Hop, Ska, Reggae, Dub, Jungle, Drum'n'Bass, Break Beat, House, Trance, Techno, Acid Jazz, Electronica, Downbeat, Trip Hop ...
Yep, we've been busy in the west, creating styles upon styles of genre smashing, world shaking, block rocking innovation, packed with potency and creative verve. And what have the Koreans given us?
"Dance"
"K Pop"
"Ballad"
Sorry, cultural sensitivity aside, but Korean contempory music is wafer thin. It's seen as a diversionary entertainment as opposed to vital pulse of the soul of the nations youth, a genuine cultural artifact that has life affirming meaning which can reach out beyond temporal and cultural boundaries. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Butterfly
Joined: 02 Mar 2003
Location: Kuwait
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 12:52 am Post subject: |
|
|
| hojucandy wrote: |
i find the OP's observations to not mesh at all with my own experience. he must be talking only to kids...
i am always intrigued by the tastes in musc here. there is a deep appreciation of jazz, and unusual obsession with progressive rock, lots of interest in early pop and classic rock... and some of my younger friends are crazy about punk.
go into a cd shop in seoul, or busan... there is even a special section for progressive...; and a huge jazz section. if no-one liked this stuff they would not stock it.
|
Right, check out any music store, specialists stores, vinyl shops in Hongdae etc. they dig all kinds of stuff, international and Korean. Another example of someone taking one experience from one group and assuming every Korean person feels the same way. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
yangtheman
Joined: 16 Jul 2004
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:08 am Post subject: Re: Koreans and Music |
|
|
There are so many things wrong with your statement, I don't know where to begin. This is kind of generalization an uneducated person might say, I want to ask you, did you even graduate high school? So your exposure to however little number of Koreans you've met can justify the kind of generalization you are making? Also, different demographics like different music. Plus, with however much exposure Koreans have with foreign music, they have to like what YOU like and appreciate? Oh, sweet Jesus. All the koreans must be music illiterate and tone deaf! I should tell all the Korean kids studying and playing classical music to stop, because they don't know anything about music! How can you live in such horrible land? You tried to expose them....... How generous of you. Korea must thank you for your sincere effort.
Not that I like Korean or American pop songs much, but seriously, your post is very condescending. Oh, and it is "bear" not "bare." |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:10 am Post subject: |
|
|
I've heard a pretty damn wide range of Korean music from my Korean friends. Admittedly, the stuff that you always hear in the taxi gets played way too often... but even in small doses, I kinda like it.
Honestly, the only music I can't stand is country.
I'm not buying that Western music is more sophisticated than Korean or any of the other nonsense going around here. KPop is just one of many genres in Korea and it's not like any artist in Korea that doesn't do KPop is immediately ripping off something else.
What's next, you're gonna tell me that Californian or Chilean wine can't compare to French wine?
That American literature can't compare to British literature?
I vote we listen to LMG on this one. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:28 am Post subject: |
|
|
| ryleeys wrote: |
| I vote we listen to LMG on this one. |
I vote we listen to Kiwiboy. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
kiwiboy_nz_99
Joined: 05 Jul 2003
Location: ...Enlightenment...
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
| Quote: |
| I'm not buying that Western music is more sophisticated than Korean or any of the other nonsense going around here. |
So where is thier Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Doors, Queen, U2, etc?
I think you're on thin ice here with this one ... |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
ryleeys
Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Columbia, MD
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:46 am Post subject: |
|
|
Who's to say that the Beetles are any better than BoA?
I mean, it's all subjective. When you've got people willing to drop as much money on a painting done by an elephant as on a Rembrandt... well, there ya go.
Does it mean that people that prefer BoA and elephants over the Beetles and Rembrandt are stupid or any such nonsense as that? Of course not... it means that their ears and eyes like different things.
My gut instinct is to tell LMG she's a fool for not liking Elvis... but that's not true. It means she has different tastes.
How do you define great music anyway? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 1:54 am Post subject: Re: Koreans and Music |
|
|
| yangtheman wrote: |
There are so many things wrong with your statement, I don't know where to begin. This is kind of generalization an uneducated person might say, I want to ask you, did you even graduate high school? So your exposure to however little number of Koreans you've met can justify the kind of generalization you are making? Also, different demographics like different music. Plus, with however much exposure Koreans have with foreign music, they have to like what YOU like and appreciate? Oh, sweet Jesus. All the koreans must be music illiterate and tone deaf! I should tell all the Korean kids studying and playing classical music to stop, because they don't know anything about music! How can you live in such horrible land? You tried to expose them....... How generous of you. Korea must thank you for your sincere effort.
Not that I like Korean or American pop songs much, but seriously, your post is very condescending. Oh, and it is "bear" not "bare." |
Sorry, I can't find anywhere in my post where I said they "have to like what [I] like" I was asking why it seems so little of them "recognize" or "appreciate" the older stuff.
And about generalizing ... can you show my any "all Koreans" in my statement. Or does it not seem like I tried to avoid generalizing by saying "Koreans I have spoken to" and "do you guys know any" |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Newbie
Joined: 07 Feb 2003
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:34 am Post subject: |
|
|
| little mixed girl wrote: |
i think that eminem IS better than the beatles, yes that's right, i come from a different generation!! i will quickly take boa, christina agularia(sp), or soulhead over elvis.
face it, it's a difference in taste.
and i have never heard of "creme" or "otis"...and i have no burning desire to go after them...  |
Otis Redding, and sorry, type-o, Cream
I have no problem with Koreans liking what they like, I'm just amazed that there seems to be a lot that haven't heard of the old singers/groups.
I remember a couple of weeks ago a girl I work with was listening to a really bad K-pop version of "Knockin's On Heaven's Door" and I said "Hey, a Bob Dylan song" to which she replied "Who's Bob Dylan?" 
I don't say she has to like him at all, or even know that it was one of his songs, but how could she not know who Bob Dylan is? |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
rapier
Joined: 16 Feb 2003
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 2:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
never mind music, Koreans don't even realise virtually everything they touch was invented and given to them by us, westerners from western civilisation. We're talking Televisions, telephones, airplanes, houses, cars, furniture, plastic, metal, computers, everything you can think of.
And yet we're still inferior dirty waegooks. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Zenpickle
Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 4:02 am Post subject: |
|
|
| peppermint wrote: |
| Lots of college students love Queen, and there seems to be a certain segment of the population who got stuck in the mid eighties hair metal thing. Just last night I was at a party and a girl in her mid twnties asked me if I knew the singer from Skid Row, because she thought he was handsome. |
Funny thing you mentioned that. When I first moved into this apartment, the previous occupant, a Korean, had left behind some photos and a vinyl Queen album. |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Apple Scruff
Joined: 29 Oct 2003
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:49 am Post subject: |
|
|
| ryleeys wrote: |
| Who's to say that the Beetles are any better than BoA? |
THE BEATLES ARE BETTER THAN BoA!!
| ryleeys wrote: |
I mean, it's all subjective. When you've got people willing to drop as much money on a painting done by an elephant as on a Rembrandt... well, there ya go.
Does it mean that people that prefer BoA and elephants over the Beetles and Rembrandt are stupid or any such nonsense as that? |
Yes! |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
Universalis
Joined: 17 Nov 2003
Location: Seoul
|
| Posted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:58 am Post subject: |
|
|
I knock Korean music as much as the next guy, but one thing I do like about it here is that most large music shops still have a pretty healthy heavy metal section. I've bought numerous (older) metal CD's here at a good price, such as Dokken, Deicide, Iron Maiden, and Testament.
Apparently, metal still sells here, unlike in the U.S.
Brian |
|
| Back to top |
|
|
|
|
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum
|
|
FAQ
Search
Memberlist
Usergroups
Register
Profile
Log in to check your private messages
Log in
