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rookies



Joined: 05 Apr 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 6:59 am    Post subject: Is this contract ok???? Reply with quote

Should I sign this contract???



I _________________, wish to be employed by and agree to
Adhere to the following.

1. Scheduling
Kindergarten classes are 40 minutes in length beginning at 9:55am and ending at 1:30pm. Elementary classes are 50 minutes in length beginning at 2:10pm and ending at 8:00pm. There will be no classes on weekends and national holidays.
Both 40 minute and 50 minute classes fulfill 1 contractual hour.

2. Working Hours options
Total 33 classes per week: 2.2 million won (Fully furnished housing)

3. Overtime: Overtime is based on weekly working hours. For any additional hours worked, instructors will receive 20,000 won per class. However, work related to improving teaching methods such as teachers� seminars, lesson preparation time and teachers� meeting will not constitute overtime hours. You could be asked to work 2 hours overtime per week. Anytime additional hours are voluntary.

4. 3~4% Korean income tax will be deducted from your salary each month.

5. Instructors are required to teach the classes assigned to them using the schools prescribed outline and curriculum.

6. The instructor�s salary will begin on his/her first day of teaching. This date will also mark the beginning of the one year agreement.

7. Instructors who fulfill their one-year contract in accordance with school policy will receive a severence pay bonus equal to their monthly salary.

8. The instructor will be paid 1,400,000 won for the cost of their round trip airfare. The instructor will be reimbursed 700,000 won within the first week of his/her arrival. The return portion of the airfare, 700,000 won, will be paid upon completion of his/her contract.

9. Paydays will be held on the 10th day of every month. If this day falls on a Korean holiday or weekend, the instructor will be paid on the next business day.

10. A fully furnished apartment will be provided for the instructor. Utilities and maintenance fees are the instructors responsibility.

11. If the instructor desires medical or life insurance, he/she must only pay 50% coverage; JEL will pay the additional 50%.

12. There are 3 weeks of vacation through a year. (Actual days are 15working days except weekend) It will be 7 ~ 9 days of school vacation and 6~8 days of personal vacation including sick days. If you don�t use personal vacation, 150,000won per one day will be paid. But if you use additional personal vacation exceeding, 150.000won will be deducted from your salary or your contract can be canceled. If you take the half day off because of sickness, it will be considered as a full sick day. You need to use these during one or two periods.

13.Teachers do have these duties:
a) One hour of lesson preparation per teaching day at school(When you don�t have Kindergarten classes, you should come to school at 1:10p.m for lesson preparation)
b) Prepare a big test and student report cards once every two months
c) Report to the director regarding any problem students
d) Speak slowly, clearly and loudly
e) Always be nice to your students

13. Any questions, concerns, or comments should be directed to the director of this institution before signing this form below.

14. This contract will start on __________________ (Date/Month/Year)
And will be completed on __________________ (Date/Month/Year)
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sadsac



Joined: 22 Dec 2003
Location: Gwangwang

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, the hours are excessive. Having to do kindergarten in the morning and then regular classes in the afternoon is a hard slog. You would wind up doing 50 hours per week. Kindergarten takes a lot of prep. Also the airfare, they should be paying that up front, not partial re-imbursment at the beginning and end of your contract. I would want the daily hours clearly stated. Best of luck. Smile
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Contracts are there for the boss to show immigration, and in no way reflect the job you'll be having, nor will it be reflecting how well your boss will be following the terms set out between you.

IE: They tend to be toilet paper.

Forty minute Kindy classes?! Are they sadists?
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Zenpickle



Joined: 06 Jan 2004
Location: Anyang -- Bisan

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 7:50 am    Post subject: Re: Is this contract ok???? Reply with quote

rookies wrote:

1. Scheduling
Kindergarten classes are 40 minutes in length beginning at 9:55am and ending at 1:30pm. Elementary classes are 50 minutes in length beginning at 2:10pm and ending at 8:00pm. There will be no classes on weekends and national holidays.
Both 40 minute and 50 minute classes fulfill 1 contractual hour.)


It's good that each class counts as an hour. It's not what we have at my hagwon.

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2. Working Hours options
Total 33 classes per week: 2.2 million won (Fully furnished housing)


I agree, the hours are a bit excessive for teaching both kindies and elementary. Oh, hold on, I teach 44 classes a week with K-Elem, and I still don't qualify for overtime in my contract.

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6. The instructor뭩 salary will begin on his/her first day of teaching. This date will also mark the beginning of the one year agreement.


Keep in mind that this does not include orientation.

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8. The instructor will be paid 1,400,000 won for the cost of their round trip airfare. The instructor will be reimbursed 700,000 won within the first week of his/her arrival. The return portion of the airfare, 700,000 won, will be paid upon completion of his/her contract.


Yeah, always insist on the arrival flight being paid up front.

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9. Paydays will be held on the 10th day of every month. If this day falls on a Korean holiday or weekend, the instructor will be paid on the next business day.


This is one of those rare instances where my contract is more appropriate. You get paid on or before the 10th of each month.

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12. There are 3 weeks of vacation through a year. (Actual days are 15working days except weekend) It will be 7 ~ 9 days of school vacation and 6~8 days of personal vacation including sick days. If you don뭪 use personal vacation, 150,000won per one day will be paid. But if you use additional personal vacation exceeding, 150.000won will be deducted from your salary or your contract can be canceled. If you take the half day off because of sickness, it will be considered as a full sick day. You need to use these during one or two periods.


That's scary. Who knows what kind of sickness you might come down with? Like with one of the other threads, if you get chicken pox or pneumonia, that can put you out for weeks. Not to mention the sickness you'll come down with from being overworked. A doctor told one of our teachers that was why he was getting sick so frequently.

So the contract basically says that they can fire you for being sick. Unethical.


I like this one:
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13.Teachers do have these duties:
a) One hour of lesson preparation per teaching day at school(When you don뭪 have Kindergarten classes, you should come to school at 1:10p.m for lesson preparation)
b) Prepare a big test and student report cards once every two months
c) Report to the director regarding any problem students
d) Speak slowly, clearly and loudly
e) Always be nice to your students


"I SAID, 'WHAT TIME WILL SOO TEACHER'S SURPRISE PARTY BE?'"

The big red flags are the airfare and the questionable vacation/sick leave policy.
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chronicpride



Joined: 16 Jan 2003

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 8:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The 2-8 schedule is what most teachers work for 1.9-2.2. But you've got that kindy schedule, too. Salary aside, I'd be dog tired working those shifts. I worked at a kindy/elementary gig, which was 10-6 and was too tired to go out and socialize throughout the week. 3 hours of kindy will tire you. Then you have a 5-6 hour elementary stretch after that? I don't know. It depends on what you want the work for. If you want to hunker down for a year, save money, and not do much else except for socializing and travel on weekends and holidays, well, ok.

But if you want to do stuff throughout the week like workout, take korean language classes, bike riding, site-see for a couple hours a day before class, do shopping, taekwondo, or go out to the bars or clubs with some energy left, then you should take a pass and take a 2-8 or 3-9 gig elsewhere, even for less money.

My first year here, I signed for 1.8, working 4-8, 4-9pm shifts and I saw so much of Daegu and the surrounding area in the AM and afternoons, plus privates, plus working out and then going out with guys after work. If you're not just coming for the dough, look for a good schedule first, before looking at the salary. A gig that is 100,000Won($86US) less per month, might prove to be a significant improvement in schedule or other areas that matter most, once you get 3-4 months into your contract.
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hellofaniceguy



Joined: 10 Jan 2003
Location: On your computer screen!

PostPosted: Mon Jul 26, 2004 5:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

#9 No. Change it to "if payday falls on a weekend or holiday, teacher (s) to be paid the day before the holiday or weekend."
Why should you have to wait for your pay?!?! The owner is not waiting for his/hers.
#8. No. Airfare could be more than the amount they are stating will be paid. You want to get the exact airfare.
#10. Problem. Maintenance fees could run 160.000 Won a month!! You need to find out BEFORE moving in.
Hours are excessive. But then again...hakwons are not for education, they are a business. If you care about quality education or if the school cares, you would not be teaching that many classes or hours. Contracts are negotiable...get the best deal you can for yourself. It should be fair to both sides. Not one sided. Trouble is...if you don't sign it...another....... will.
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trevorcollins



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blind Willie wrote:
Forty minute Kindy classes?! Are they sadists?


What's wrong with that ? I love the kindy classes, but it definitely takes a certain type of teacher to have the ability to make it fun AND keep law and order. Otherwise it ends up a zoo.
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No L



Joined: 17 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ask for more info about hours and classes. What is the exact schedule? 33 classes a week is pretty reasonable but the time frame isn't. If you work kindy and have to be in an hour for prep, you start at 9:00 and finish at 8:00? That's just insane. If you work kindy, you should be off much earlier. No kindy, finish at 8:00.

Also, there shouldn't be a cap on airfare. Plane tickets from most countries will be more than 1 400 000.
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Blind Willie



Joined: 05 May 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 4:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

trevorcollins wrote:
Blind Willie wrote:
Forty minute Kindy classes?! Are they sadists?


What's wrong with that ? I love the kindy classes, but it definitely takes a certain type of teacher to have the ability to make it fun AND keep law and order. Otherwise it ends up a zoo.

I was thinking more of the kids. They can barely make it through a 20 minute class.
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Saxiif



Joined: 15 May 2003
Location: Seongnam

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 8:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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9:55am and ending at 1:30pm. Elementary classes are 50 minutes in length beginning at 2:10pm and ending at 8:00pm

Sounds like a pretty nasty split shift. I'd go nuts with that schedule.

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Both 40 minute and 50 minute classes fulfill 1 contractual hour.

That's nice. A lot of schools are weasely and don't do that. Probably will make it easier to get overtime.

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Overtime is based on weekly working hours. For any additional hours worked, instructors will receive 20,000 won per class.

That's not too bad. Many schools give you overtime for anything over 120 (or less) contract hours taught, but then for many a 40 minute class would be only 2/3 of a contract hour.

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4. 3~4% Korean income tax will be deducted from your salary each month.

What about pension?

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The instructor will be paid 1,400,000 won for the cost of their round trip airfare. The instructor will be reimbursed 700,000 won within the first week of his/her arrival. The return portion of the airfare, 700,000 won, will be paid upon completion of his/her contract.

Depending on where you come from, one-way air fare will cost you more than 700,000, so you get the shaft a bit here.

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There are 3 weeks of vacation through a year. (Actual days are 15working days except weekend) It will be 7 ~ 9 days of school vacation and 6~8 days of personal vacation including sick days.

Hmmm that might mean that its a bitch to get full weeks of vacation, hard to tell.

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If you don뭪 use personal vacation, 150,000won per one day will be paid.

That's nice.

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If you're not just coming for the dough, look for a good schedule first, before looking at the salary.

Even if you are coming for the dough, a good schedule is ALWAYS better than a good salary, you'll end up making more per hour especially considering the free apartment. One of the biggest mistakes you can make is getting excited by an extra .1 (speaking from experience here Sad ).
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Grotto



Joined: 21 Mar 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 9:47 pm    Post subject: hmmmm Reply with quote

Rolling Eyes split shifts....they suck! They give times but how many classes a day are you teaching?

Get clarification on meetings, how many how long? Seminars? Prep time unpaid? Razz okay dont expect any prep!

Airfare? Shocked thats a little cheap for flights. If they arent willing to pay for the ticket up front thats a little fishy. If they can book you a round trip flight for 1.4 mil won thats okay if not Razz

Minor point....if payday falls on a holiday you should get paid on the preceding day! Not the following business day!

The sick day clause is not acceptable! If they want to pay out at 150k thats fine but to deduct any extra days missed should be based on the month....2.2/workdays in the month


Laughing you want me there an hour early every day for prep....unpaid Question Laughing Get Bent Exclamation
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mindmetoo



Joined: 02 Feb 2004

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 10:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hellofaniceguy wrote:
#9 No. Change it to "if payday falls on a weekend or holiday, teacher (s) to be paid the day before the holiday or weekend."


Most companies in north america tend to pay after the holiday. That's no big woop.

10-8 is sort of brutal hours. I'd pass on it just because of that.

The airfare cap i'm sure is just there because they've been burned in the past. $1,400 for a one way to Korea from North America is double the 30 days in advanced fare. It's doable unless you're coming over with 3 days notice during christmas.

Holding half until your contract is up sucks. Two things should keep you there: the one month bonus and your air fare home.

Some of this contract does read like they've been taken advantage of before and they're trying to compel human decency.
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Dalton



Joined: 26 Mar 2003

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 11:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This clause concerns me. Parts c & e in particular:

13.Teachers do have these duties:
a) One hour of lesson preparation per teaching day at school(When you don�Ԥ��ͤ� have Kindergarten classes, you should come to school at 1:10p.m for lesson preparation)
b) Prepare a big test and student report cards once every two months
c) Report to the director regarding any problem students
d) Speak slowly, clearly and loudly
e) Always be nice to your students

Because it's possible that the students are in charge of the classroom and that could make your year very, very stressful. Been there. You can't fulfill your teaching duties if you are not in charge of the classroom. The impact of a Korean coming into your class to yell at the kids will last about 10 minutes if you're lucky.

In the worst case scenario your lesson plans or teaching style could be ruled against without warning or appeal if the students (via their moms) complain about either.

Think about it this way- all the students are spoiled by the school and you will have to comply with this and/or become a victim to it. I wouldn't sign a contract with this clause because of my experience. You might want to clarify what it means. Are your efforts and work environment secondary to spoiling the little darlings without regard to any consequences? Are you always wrong and the children always right? That's what those two little rules meant at a school I worked for.

That aside I wouldn't sign simply because the school isn't buying the ticket(s) outright.
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trevorcollins



Joined: 02 Jul 2004

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Blind Willie wrote:
trevorcollins wrote:
Blind Willie wrote:
Forty minute Kindy classes?! Are they sadists?


What's wrong with that ? I love the kindy classes, but it definitely takes a certain type of teacher to have the ability to make it fun AND keep law and order. Otherwise it ends up a zoo.

I was thinking more of the kids. They can barely make it through a 20 minute class.


Just keep it fun, interesting and varied and you'd be amazed at how long they can go. Feel free to PM me if you want some advice.
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