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canuckistan
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| If the OP is concerened with regard to these questions, he/she should post how they woulld answer those questions |
That's exactly what he did.
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I would be more than willing to help the guy out if he was just asking for information. But instead he wants us to help him pass an interview by providing answers to questions that his employer feels are important for the job.
If he cannot answer these questions without help, how is giving him the answers going to provide him with knowledge to teach well. It is in effect enabling him to decieve his employer resulting in poor quality work and ultimately disatisfaction on the part of the employer, the students, and the employee. What you are suggesting is that we enable a lose-lose situation.
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Then by this logic, anyone paying a career consellor/employment agency (or via buying a book) to prepare and be coached for job interviews is a cheating scammer. Nice! How dare he post the questions on an ESL teaching website!
Continuing to offer up speculations about what the OP's intentions may or may not have been is useless here. I will once again remind most of you that you once arrived in Korea not knowing your arse from your head about teaching. And you got jobs. And over time with more experience many of you even learned to be good teachers.
The point is that if the OP (and others reading these boards) walked away with some thought-provoking opinions and different perspectives to questions which somewhere down the line get turned into better teaching skills, or even the discovery that teaching should become their chosen profession, it's been a good day for the profession.
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| We should be sure to land one of the jobs based on our degrees. I have an education degree too, though in History not English. Good luck |
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crazylemongirl
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I've bounced around ideas on teaching wtih people from this site which I've then spouted at job interviews. Me bad.  |
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FUBAR
Joined: 21 Oct 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:43 am Post subject: Re: Tough interview questions... |
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Plus my answers
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1. What is your general feeling about Korean students through your teaching experience? There are always different students and that you have experienced good students and bad students but in general the students have been good and willing to learn from you.
2. Teaching a class of about 20 students, what is the most effective way to teach? Being loud and asking seperate tables the questions as well as whole class work. Setting work for the class and going around each table helping out.
3. What are things that you can suggest to improve each of your students' English ability? Trying to find what they like and try and talk about that.
4. How do you deal with the students causing a lot of problems in your class, what are the best ways to deal with them and why do you think they're making trouble? Send them to a Korean teacher and explain to the teacher with the student why they have been bad. Also Korean kids might see that being with a foreign teacher is a break away from a Korean teacher and therefore might find the lesson a place to play around.
5 How do you deal with the students who never do their homework and have no interest in or concentration on your lesson ? Talk to the teacher or send a note home via a korean teacher. Or keep them behind after class or during their lunch break to complete the work.
6 What are your strengths and weaknesses in teaching English and how do you think you can improve on these areas? That's something you have to decide.
7 What is your own personal method of finding out a student's English proficiency level? Personal questions or phone tests or a speaking test. ie ask 10 questions and they have to answer them.
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Are these your answer's Crois? or Holden's? |
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pocariboy73
Joined: 23 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 11:15 am Post subject: Caught red-handed |
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What a funny "coincidence" that apparently both Holden and Shawner88 are both originally from New York, both had lived south of Seoul and in Pusan, both enjoy music, writing, reading, both are interested in publishing a book,and both applied to the same job Take a second and compare prior posts to see for yourself. Quite the laugh!!!!
There's nothing wrong with being honest from the get-go and posting the job interview questions under your real name (Shawner88). Or, is it you're too embarrased and ashamed with yourself that a Self Proffesed expert in Korean Life and the ESL scene, with an Education degree and the notorious "bag of word puzzles" can't handle a simple interview  ?
Nevertheless, nice attempted cover-up. Better luck next time 
Can you say.....SOCK PUPPET  ???
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
Location: In search of the elusive signature...
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 3:17 pm Post subject: Re: Caught red-handed |
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What a funny "coincidence" that apparently both Holden and Shawner88 are both originally from New York, both had lived south of Seoul and in Pusan, both enjoy music, writing, reading, both are interested in publishing a book,and both applied to the same job Take a second and compare prior posts to see for yourself. Quite the laugh!!!!
There's nothing wrong with being honest from the get-go and posting the job interview questions under your real name (Shawner88). Or, is it you're too embarrased and ashamed with yourself that a Self Proffesed expert in Korean Life and the ESL scene, with an Education degree and the notorious "bag of word puzzles" can't handle a simple interview ?
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How funny. Thank you for taking the time to look that info. up. I would have, but I would rather rely on others to do my work for me!
!Shoosh
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Gord
Joined: 25 Feb 2003
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| The way you make it sound is like the OP is going to be sitting there with crib notes cheating in a job interview. Have you never discussed ESL (or any other) teaching issues with colleagues, or helped one out with ideas for a lesson plan? Guess not! This is what defines the true teaching spirit and which seems to be sorely lacking in you. It's called sharing, something which hasn't seemed to sink in through all the selfish obtuseness you more than adequately display. |
Why bust out a strawman argument?
We are not discussing teaching plans or how to be a better teacher. What was asked was "what is a good answer to this interview question". Had the poster said "I'm applying for a job in a public high school that will have 20 students per class at a minimum. I've never had to deal with a class that size. For people who have taught classes that size before, could you perhaps give me some advice on what to do that is effective?"
That's the difference.
At the interview, one could answer with "I am going to phone every parent once a week and talk to them in Korean for five minutes about their child's English development." It's a beautiful answer than an employer would love to hear as being the truth, but it's simply not practical. With three minutes a phone call and "only" 200 students, that would require 10 hours per week, as well as the ability to speak Korean fluently.
And what's with the name calling at the end there? Did someone toss up a sign saying it's "Amateur's Insult Night" on the forum here and I missed it? Or is an event anyone of any skill level can join? I ask because I'm not allowed to compete in amatuer night events after I went pro.
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| If you did have a true teaching spirit (and a real teaching degree), it would also be blazingly apparent to you that other teachers are one of the best resources for all issues pertaining to ESL teaching, and one of the best means by which we expand and spread our knowledge of the profession throughout the profession. |
At my job interviews, I tell the employers that I plan on doing weekly in-apartment interviews with the parents of all the students I teach. And thanks to my mastery of Korean, I can communicate with no issues at all. I tell them that I'm also Spiderman and don't have to wait for the elevators which is how I can do these interviews and still get to work on time.
I am also a horrible monster.
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Have you forgotten what this site is dedicated to? DOH! (slaps head) That's right! It's an ESL teaching website, where guess what?! We actually discuss all ESL teaching issues here!
Last I heard getting ready for a teaching job interview (or any) by being prepared for certain questions is a good thing. So in your narrow view of the teaching world, if the OP had asked friends and family (who may or may not be qualified teachers) or let alone had the audacity to post on an ESL teaching website for suggestions/advice on preparing for job interview, that is cheating. |
There is a substantial difference between "what colour shirt and tie should I wear" and "then want to know my teaching method! What should I tell them?" Which, looking back at my first posting and using the power of literacy, I asked why one would ask for the answer to such questions instead of actually learning to teach in the environment that they will be working in.
If we are going to be making up imaginary answers, why not tell the people that the top ten students of the day will be taken to TGIFs at your expense so they can practice English freetalking? It's a good answer that they would like to hear.
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| If you have any desire at all to understand the true spirit of teaching Gord, I leave you with this little nugget upon which to ruminate, read it well and take it to heart. |
Zing. Really, I mean that. Zing indeed. Next you'll be standing up by yourself and maybe one day riding your bicycle without training wheels. Our little boy is growing up so fast. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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It's a good answer that they would like to hear.
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Rather than continue to be a useless armchair critique, why don't you post your I-know-what-I'm-doing-in-the-classroom-even-though-I-don't-have-an-education-degree answers to those questions and show us your illuminating, thoughtful answers (as qualified as you seem to feel to hand down judgement here on those who would like different perspectives when answering job interview questions) in teaching ESL matters?
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Gord
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 4:58 pm Post subject: |
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| I could do that, but that is not what was asked. He was asking for good answers, not good teaching methods. |
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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| good answers, not good teaching methods. |
I beg to differ. Good suggestions concerning good teaching methods-same same. How dare he post such a thing on an ESL teaching website!
Do indulge us please, I look forward to the responses coming from such an uber-informed and qualified ESL teaching source such as yourself, there will undoubtedly be Things We Never Thought Of About The ESL Classroom. |
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Mankind
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I think there is a real point being missed here. It's not like Holden/Shawner88 asked for advice on one question that was giving him difficulty or that he wanted a different spin on. To me that doen't seem all that strange. He asked for answers to every single question!!! And thats cheating in my book. Getting help/advice is different than asking someone else to do all your homework.
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canuckistan
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:38 pm Post subject: |
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| I think there is a real point being missed here |
Absolutely. "Teachers" who would pass judement and who would rather obssess about the phrasing of a user's post on an ESL teaching website in trying to blacken their character, than live the single most basic tenet of teaching: sharing knowledge unconditionally.
It is clear that it is all of you sniveling, unqualified "experts" who are unfit to teach. |
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Mankind
Joined: 18 Jan 2003
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canuckistan did you read my post after the first sentence? You have quoted me completely out of context. I don't think people should help him.
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| sharing knowledge unconditionally |
And I disagree with this being 'the single most basic tenet of teaching'.
There absolutely are conditions.
Are you saying that you would have trained terrorists to fly planes even with the knowledge that they wanted to crash them (assuming you are a flying teacher)?
Would you teach a kid how to make something dangerous?
Would you teach a student how to cheat in the best way?
If a students condition on studying is that you do his homework, would you?
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Ryst Helmut
Joined: 26 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 5:54 pm Post subject: |
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It is clear that it is all of you sniveling, unqualified "experts" who are unfit to teach. |
Crap...I oughtta tell the 3 universities that accepted me into their doctoral programs in education (TESOL) that I am unfit to teach.
!Shoosh
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sparkx
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| Posted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 6:09 pm Post subject: |
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I agree with Gord and Mankind here...
It's one thing to ask, "why types of questions may be asked during this interview." To me thats a completely legitimate question. The OP was given the questions (what employer on the planet allows you to study specific interview questions beforehand?) which he wants answers to.
What some of you are missing is the fact that teaching here requires serious thinking on your feet and problem solving at a moments notice without the luxury of prepreparation. Its about unwavering decision making and sticking with those decisions no matter how they're perceived by students/staff (exuding confidence in split-second decision making is what makes a good teacher).
To me, someone who wants his hand held after being given a fricken gift, that i sure as hell have never received before an interview, is a sign of an indecisive individual who has no business in front of a class of students. |
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canuckistan
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I've made my point here, the examples being put forth to show that the sharing of teaching knowledge is conditional are becoming preposterous. I am not going to waste my time going in circles about this on an ESL teaching website.
I can only hope that any teachers (newbie or not/qualified or not) lurking on the boards out there trying to get jobs don't feel too intimidated by those here who have nothing more to contribute than judgemental cynicism when someone asks for help. Either help, or STFU.
Feel free to pm me anytime if you don't wish to be forced to run the very crappy gauntlet these seemingly self-appointed and mostly unqualified Guardians Of The Integrity Of Teaching In Korea seem compelled to lay down out of nothing more I suspect than fear, jealousy, or just plain boredom. |
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