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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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 Posted: Sat Apr 26, 2003 8:32 pm Post subject: Blacklist of Teachers on the Internet |
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I have heard of hagwons threatening teachers to "balcklist" them, and my girlfriend and I did an extensive (and exhausting) search on the Internet in Korean looking for such a list.
If one exists, it certainly does not come up under Yahoo, Alltheweb, AltaVista, Infoseek, or Google.
We even used Dogpile, which takes forever and a day to go through.
The only one we have not used is Daum, but for some reason, Hangeul is not working on our computer when we use that site.
But, if anyone knows if one really exists, it would be very helpful (and interesting) to all of us....
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Okay so...25 people have looked at this post so far and no one has any comment...I will assume the fact that one does not exist still stands... |
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NQP
Joined: 16 Jan 2003
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| Posted: Sun Apr 27, 2003 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| The blacklist of teachers is not a hagwan owner administered entity. I believe it refers to the Korean immigration list of people who are not welcome in Korea. All countries have this and it is not only for English teachers. It includes people who overstay, commit crimes, or are banned for national security concerns etc... Not all people placed on this list are there permentantly. I had a friend who was deported for working without a visa. He was banned from Korea for 2 years. There are differing reports about how much influence hagwan owners have in getting people placed on this list. I think they have to file complaints and go through a legal process to have a teacher placed on it. For example I did a run but left a lot of money. My boss didn't go through the hassel of filing a complaint against me. Most people on this list are people who have run into offical problems with the immigration office. |
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Igen_Weir
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 8:31 am Post subject: |
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I know for a fact that immigration, has certain individuals "flagged" as running and/or contract breaking risks. (Seoul)
Immigration will warn the hakwon in question during the E2 visa application process and tell them that the teacher in question has had a history of incomplete contracts, even if letters of realies were given by the former employers.
I know this from personal experience. |
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The King of Kwangju
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:07 am Post subject: |
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| Igen_Weir wrote: |
| I know for a fact that immigration, has certain individuals "flagged" as running and/or contract breaking risks. |
As an aside, a buddy of mine who taught illegally for years got around this and other immo woes by legally changing his name in America and getting a new passport. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 2:47 pm Post subject: |
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| The King of Kwangju wrote: |
| Igen_Weir wrote: |
| I know for a fact that immigration, has certain individuals "flagged" as running and/or contract breaking risks. |
As an aside, a buddy of mine who taught illegally for years got around this and other immo woes by legally changing his name in America and getting a new passport. |
...as have Commonwealth citizens with duel citizenships....  |
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Igen_Weir
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2003 10:43 pm Post subject: |
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| IMHO: If one has to change one's name and get a new passport inorder to secure a job in Korea, I think one really should take sometime to re-evaluate what they are doing with thier life. |
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TheUrbanMyth
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
Location: Retired
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:10 am Post subject: |
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| Igen_Weir wrote: |
| IMHO: If one has to change one's name and get a new passport inorder to secure a job in Korea, I think one really should take sometime to re-evaluate what they are doing with thier life. |
LOL! That was the same thought I had when I read that. |
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Igen_Weir
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 6:36 am Post subject: |
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"As an aside, a buddy of mine who taught illegally for years got around this and other immo woes by legally changing his name in America and getting a new passport" - KoK
Keep thee good company and thou shall be judged with them.
On second thought: Oh come on ... tell us more about your "buddy."
See, I had this buddy, he swallowed some Pop Pocks and then drank Coke, and he died.
Another "Buddy" went to Mexico and bought a, nevermind. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| IMHO: If one has to change one's name and get a new passport inorder to secure a job in Korea, I think one really should take sometime to re-evaluate what they are doing with thier life. |
O.K. I like how you pre-judge a situation that you know absolutely nothing about.
How do you know his/her buddy didn't get screwed by the hagwon owner?
You don't, and you judge people and their company based on your snobby reactionary-style thinking.
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| Keep thee good company and thou shall be judged with them. |
Oh I see....you're judging peoples' character based on who they keep as friends.
How...."nice" of you.... 
Let me get this straight:
Hypothetically speaking, let's suppose a teacher has not been getting medical coverage as per the contract.
And the teacher keeps bugging the boss about it until finally the boss hires a new teacher and fires her because she "complains too much".
He does not sign a letter of release, does not pay her last check, and does not pay her return fair home.
She is stuck in Korea with no job, and no ability to work.
She manages to borrow the money, and go home. She gets a new passport, with a new passport number, using her middle name first.
She goes back to Korea and gets a new job.
Now, let's say she has a friend named "The Late Call of Miner" and "The Late Call of Miner" makes a post on the Internet that his friend changes her name and came back to Korea to work, but did not explain the entire situation?
Do you judge "The Late Call of Miner" based on the problems of his friend?
As it stands, looks like you do.... |
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Igen_Weir
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:15 am Post subject: |
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Well, I did ask to hear more.
In addition, the "Hate Mall of Liar's" friend did not actually change their name, did they?
The original post smacked of "Korean Legend", as many posts here do.
With a little more information, which you provided, the tale of your friend falls more on the non-fiction side of the fence.
Remeber, I answered the original question and would be more willing to share info, on a PM level if anyone had bothered contacting me. Now forget it this thread now seems to be a fire trap, helping certain people slither to 2 000 posts.
The probelm is that I, and everyone else here has to question everything written on this forum, and now I am on the defence for saying "oh come on!" |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 9:04 am Post subject: |
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Igen_Weir wrote:
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| In addition, the "Hate Mall of Liar's" friend did not actually change their name, did they? |
It was an analogy.
Also, speaking of my anology, what are you up to by refering to by changing the name of the character in my analogy to "Hate Mall of Liar's"?
Are you trying to say something...? Are you saying I am a "hateful liar?"
Get your head our of your ars...
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| Remeber, I answered the original question and would be more willing to share info, on a PM level if anyone had bothered contacting me. Now forget it this thread now seems to be a fire trap, helping certain people slither to 2 000 posts. |
I did try to take this to PM, but you chose not to respond, thus encouraging me to take it back here.....so here we are....
I also don't like your little helping certain people slither to 2 000 posts comment for many reasons...
(1) Snakes slither, so you are what....calling me a snake?
(2) I use PM all the time when discussing issues with at least 2 dozen different people over the last few months. PMing does not "help certain people slither to 2,000 posts".
In fact, just last week Itaewonguy and I had a pretty big PM arguement, but we've since (I think) mended fences. It could have stayed public, but I chose to make it private, thus defeating your arguement about "helping someone slither to 2,000 posts".
If all my private posts I have ever written were on public threads instead of through PM, I would have made it to 2000 a long time ago.
But seeing as "slithering to 2000 posts" is not in my game plan (in your mind only perhaps), what you wrote was nothing more than inciteful rubbish.
I think if you look at most of my posts, you will see there is a reason for them other than boosting the number of my posts...
Looks like once again....someone is pre-judging without all the facts....
Let's get back on-topic, shall we? |
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Igen_Weir
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 5:48 pm Post subject: |
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What I was referring to, Wait Fall of Tyre, was I would have shared info with anyone via PM regarding immigration lists and such, your original question.
Your PM was not really worth responding to as you did not seem to want to hear what I had to say but rather esculate the insults.
I still contend that any post that states "I have a buddy ..." or "I know this guy..." is very suspect. What this board needs is more creditable information not more rumors. We still have not heard more about this "buddy" from the KoK, now have we.
Anyway, I am sure you will lash back with more posting furry.
My point was that the claims that someone went through all the trouble to change their name and pasport for a job in Korea is highly suspect, and if it is true one must not only question why, but also the modivation of the "buddies" of the individuals in question.
Still sounds like another "Korean Legend" to me.
Oh, BTW: Don't lecture about jumping to conclusions, my post that upset you so may have been a little trite and perhaps cynical, but, was not meant in the serious an acussation and tone which you seem to given it. I thought the mention of POP ROCKS and COKE was enough of a hint that I really was not being all that serious.
I, FYI, have been in Korea a long time as well and I have seen and heard my fair share of horror stories, I have also heard alot of B.S. too.
I feel that newer readers to this forum should realise that not everything that is posted here is gospel and that all posts should be viewed with some level of suspicion.
Still, I want to know the real story of KoK's buddy. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 24 Jan 2003
Location: Middle Land
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 7:19 pm Post subject: |
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Igen_Weir wrote:
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| What I was referring to, Wait Fall of Tyre, was I would have shared info with anyone via PM regarding immigration lists and such, your original question. |
Which you never did.
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| Your PM was not really worth responding to as you did not seem to want to hear what I had to say but rather esculate the insults. |
I want to say that how can I know if I do not know what you have to say, when you didn't even say what it was that you wanted to say?
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| I still contend that any post that states "I have a buddy ..." or "I know this guy..." is very suspect. What this board needs is more creditable information not more rumors. We still have not heard more about this "buddy" from the KoK, now have we. |
No, we haven't. [GWoW glares at KoW]
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| Anyway, I am sure you will lash back with more posting furry. |
LASH LASH LASH LASH LASH LASH LASH  LASH LASH
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| My point was that the claims that someone went through all the trouble to change their name and pasport for a job in Korea is highly suspect, and if it is true one must not only question why, but also the modivation of the "buddies" of the individuals in question. |
Well, if they go "out of their way" to do it, then yes, I would say it is highly suspect from an ethical point of view.
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| Still sounds like another "Korean Legend" to me. |
I'm not sure. I have heard this legend before.
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| Oh, BTW: Don't lecture about jumping to conclusions, my post that upset you so may have been a little trite and perhaps cynical, but, was not meant in the serious an acussation and tone which you seem to given it. I thought the mention of POP ROCKS and COKE was enough of a hint that I really was not being all that serious. |
Um...what is POP ROCKS and COKE? Is that a 70's (1870's) slang phrase? Or something you picked up from Phillidelphia?
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| I, FYI, have been in Korea a long time as well and I have seen and heard my fair share of horror stories, I have also heard alot of B.S. too. |
Yes well, let's rub elbows, swirl our red wine, smell it, take a sip, and light a cuban....
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| I feel that newer readers to this forum should realise that not everything that is posted here is gospel and that all posts should be viewed with some level of suspicion. |
I agree.
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| Still, I want to know the real story of KoK's buddy. |
Well, I think it is the "real" story, just not the "whole story". |
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The King of Kwangju
Joined: 10 Feb 2003
Location: New York City
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 8:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Igen_Weir wrote: |
| Still, I want to know the real story of KoK's buddy. |
I just rifled off that post and never checked this thread again - I didn't know you were waiting.
He was a guy in KJ who was teaching privates. He wasn't a close friend, but a guy I knew from around - you know the type. He cheated on his K girlfriend and she found out about it and got back at him by turning him in to immigration. He was deported to the States. It was a nice piece of wayguk gossip.
Sometime thereafter I was shocked to see him in KJ again and he told me that he had legally changed his name. I was also skeptical, and one night in a bar I called him on it and he happened to have his passport there to show me.
What can I say? He liked Korea and made a lot of money for little work. He tried life stateside and didn't like it. It made sense to me.
What's in a name, anyways? |
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Igen_Weir
Joined: 09 Feb 2003
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| Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2003 10:27 pm Post subject: |
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Pop Rocks: A candy sold in an envelope which "explodes" in your mouth, like mini sugar rice crispies.
Coke: The short name of very popular soft drink. Full name Coca-Cola.
The 12 oz glass Coke bottle is apparetly the most recogized obect on earth.
Pop Rocks and Coke: According to North American Urban Legend "Mikey" from the classic ceral commercial (child actor) died as a result of eating pop rocks then drinking coke and his stomach exploded.
This of course is not true.
As for what I know I will PM you later today and tell you what I know ... |
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